Why do people hate liberals?

[Emu]

I really have trouble understanding the motives behind overly conservative people who say liberals should be impaled through the head by rusty spears (actual quote from a person at my school.)

I can't see the reasoning behind it. "Well, gee, this person wants fair treatment and equal rights for homosexuals, he should die!" What the hell is so wrong with that? Maybe one of you can explain it to me.

[Perndog]

Conservatives say things like that because they have massive sticks up their asses, they believe their values are the only right ones, and they fear change.

I say bad things about liberals because liberals include feminists, vegetarians, yuppies, hippies, and PC advocates, and I despise all those groups.

[Big Papa Goat]

I'm sure Vinth would have enjoyed this thread.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Liberals can be just as nasty and intolerant. People are people.

[The One and Only...]

I don't dislike liberals, but I dislike much of their politics. I doubt I'd being running around screaming about how we should jam rusty spears in their bodies.

Also, sometimes what I find liberals call fair treatment really isn't fair. For example, feminists who want equal rights in everything but still want to be excused from the draft. Also, Affirmative Action. But hey, that's just me.

[Immortal Goat]

Ahh, the simple, pleasant life of being "middle-of-the-road"...

Really, though, I do not understand the hatred coming from both sides of the spectrum here. Both sides have valid points, but on the other hand, both sides can be VERY wrong about things. Such as...

Liberals and Affirmative Action

Conservatives and abortion

I PERSONALLY think that anyone who is so opinionated that they refuse to think anyone else has a valid point *cough-VINTH-cough* needs to go to group therapy for not being able to deal with people, but hey, thats just my opinion.

[Emu]

I wish I knew who Vinth was.

And I know that liberals can have just as big a stick up their ass as any conservative(or even a bigger one, with spikes and everything) but I don't often hear of liberals trying to blow up abortion clinics.

[The One and Only...]

True, but you do hear a lot of whiney teenage liberals act as though they can overthrow the government and instate communism because Rage Against The Machine told them it would be a good idea.

Plus, these people are lot more common than christian fundy wackos.

[AChimp]

There are A LOT of Bible-thumpers around here. They're all coming out of the woodwork now that the gay marraige issue is in Parliament.

Anyways, centrist is the way to be. :)

[Perndog]

And since they're more common it's too easy for their bullshit to get overlooked - we need, if anything, more people to call out radical liberals and give them a clue.

Conservatives blow up abortion clinics, liberals free animals from testing facilities. It's just a matter of magnitude, and I think it's only a matter of time before some liberals start dropping the hippie peacenik attitude and cause some mayhem (feminist militia, anyone?)

[The One and Only...]

Exactly how many conservatives do you think blow shit up? Not many. I don't know where you get the notion that this country has more conservatives from, but you need to check your position. If anything, it's breeding socialists.

Centrist is only the way to be if you consider libertarians centrists. :)

[Perndog]

I meant the liberals were more common - I was replying to your post and Chimp sneaked in there while I was typing.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

The Atlanta Olympic bomber brings an ultra-conservative terrorist to mind....

I for one am not big on the "centrist" argument. I think it's a lot of hogwash. People have partisan opinions in their heart, they have their own personal opinions on how things should and/or could get done. And the ability to sacrifice some of those views and compromise doesn't make you a centrist, or a "moderate," it merely makes you an agreeable person with good sense. :/

[Big Papa Goat]

Oklahoma City bombing was done by a conservative, and if you get right down to it, Osama Bin Laden and his cronies are all Koran-thumping fundamentalist conservatives. But libearls do some violent things too. Tree spiking is a relatively common practice that comes to mind, along with violence associated with protests.
But there are definitely more wacko christian fundamentalists than there are commie-kids. And commie kids usually outgrow it when they realize that a life of activism won't get them that pimped out car and huge mansion they always wanted. :rolleyes

[KevinTheOmnivore]

But libearls do some violent things too. Tree spiking is a relatively common practice that comes to mind, along with violence associated with protests.

The recent hummer torchings in California, too....

[Big Papa Goat]

Hummers deserve it >:

[Emu]

The Hummer: The Ultimate Car...for the Man with the Microscopic Penis.

I might be insanely liberal about SOME things, but I'm not stupid. I know communism doesn't work, and I know anarchy could never work unless there were a good four or five people left on the whole damn planet. I can understand why people would be irritated with those kids. :roll:

[The One and Only...]

Post deleted.

[Emu]

But now I wanna know what The One and Only said. :(

[Big Papa Goat]

Godammit, I'm bumping this thread to bring it to the attention of Vinth. He must respond to this one!

[ItalianStereotype]

worst thread ever :/

[Emu]

Sometimes the worst things in life are really, really crappy.

[Zhukov]

I know communism doesn't work


Shit. I should probably argue that point. :(

[Big Papa Goat]

That communism doesn't work or that Emu doesn't know that communism doesn't work?

[Jeanette X]

I agree that liberals can be abrasive as well. However, I have noticed that there seem to be an awful lot more conservative demogauges (Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Mike Savage) than there are liberal ones.

[Big Papa Goat]

Liberals tend to be smartass whiny bitches, while conservatives tend towards angry, abrasive, bullying demagoguery. (sp?)

[Jeanette X]

I don't know which is worse. :(
Come to think of it...it would be interesting to see the two reversed, the liberals being the bullying assholes and the conservates being the whiney bitches.

[Big Papa Goat]

It could happen.

[Perndog]

Actually, a lot of liberals are bullying assholes. Try wearing a big fur coat and eating a hamburger at an animal rights rally or yelling "bomb the fuckers! at an anti-war rally. You will be attacked, though the animal people won't hurt you because the damn vegans are all malnourished and weak. "Fascist!" "Oppressor!" (the feminist warcry) "Corporate Dirtbag!" etc.

I think the difference is that liberals are assholes in groups, but conservatives can be just as belligerent when they're outnumbered - I've read about many, many occasions where solitary, hardcore Baptist ministers have disrupted atheist and pagan gatherings, but no postmodernists ever rush into churches and yell, "God is dead."

[Big Papa Goat]

I was talking more about the style of pundits and journalists then activists, but most of the behavior you described there is more whiny and bitchy then bullying.

[Perndog]

I don't know..I've been attacked from both the left and the right, and once they're riled up their self-righteousness sounds pretty similar to me.

EDIT: Though, I guess when they're just being themselves and not reacting to something, their styles are a bit different...I see where you're coming from. I think the problem is whenever I have a conversation about someone's sacred cow I always get into a fight, and when the subject doesn't come up I don't see the person in front of me as a liberal or a conservative.

[Skulhedface]

This is what happens when people refuse to accept that they weren't the fucking base model for every human ever made. That they are always right, and by default, anyone that disagrees is wrong. People just aren't tolerant of each other anymore, and rather than deal with it, they constantly want to regulate the behavior of others, refusing to believe there's life outside their box, and that the life they do acknowledge is the enemy.

Groups like the KKK, especially. They have their pro-white agenda, but truthfully, how many of them were actually personally inconvenienced by black people? Feminists... a little more understandable, as men are pigs :wink but seriously, as I believe was already said, they are pulling for equality, but are not saying anything about drafts and such? Honestly, have ANY of you women signed up for the draft? Guys... if you're over 18 and you haven't, you're sure as hell in a lot of federal trouble.

I disagree with both groups, Reps and Dems, because neither are right. Right and wrong is irrelevant in an opinion based argument. It's almost like people tearing the country asunder because they can't agree over Big Macs and Whoppers.

[Emu]

I personally don't think true equality can be achieved between any two groups because we're all morons in the end. It seems like Feminists just want men to cut their balls off and keep them in fromaldahyde jars on their mante. Vegetarians want us to ignore natrual selection and dietary common sense and eat tofu. And the KKK is just plain nuts.

There are SOME good points these groups have (Except the KKK, they just kind of yammer on) but I think most of them are a little self-righteous for their own good.

I do have this to say: If everyone was middle of the road, we wouldn't get anywhere.

[Jeanette X]

Actually, a lot of liberals are bullying assholes. Try wearing a big fur coat and eating a hamburger at an animal rights rally or yelling "bomb the fuckers! at an anti-war rally.

Being bullied for that is not acceptable, but understandable, as such actions are blatantly obnoxious to do at such rallies.

[ranxer]

why do people hate liberals? that's easy.. envy

if i take jesus' preaching to heart and turn the other cheek i'm a liberal and others who get all upset are predictably angry that i can embrace my 'enemy' :)

the non-liberals believe in making judgements(i.e. not leaving it to god).. they cannot embrace anyone that has a view that is different than thiers.. hate is easy for that type of person.. natural even :)

[Jeanette X]

the non-liberals believe in making judgements
Aren't you doing just that with your statements?

[Perndog]

Yeah, and all animal rights activists fully embrace those slaughterhouse owners whose opinions differ from theirs...gimme a break, dude. *Extremists* judge and can't embrace different views, while moderates are accepting, no matter which side of the spectrum they're on.

Oh, and why aren't you accepting the opinion that embracing your enemy isn't the right thing to do, some of us believe that hate is a just thing.

[ranxer]

haaha animal rights activists don't attack lab tech's they attack the labs.

theres a difference between saying an action is wrong and saying a person is wrong.. yes i slide into using terms like evil and wrong headed.. but i also bring many people back to remind them that we are talking about human beings and that we all can change.

maybe you are talking about different people but the hatred i see is coming mostly from religious fundamentalists that hate other races and other religions, whether we're talking about the middle east or america its the same hatred to me.. i wish they could do as thier books say to and leave the judgement to god.. i really would love to know why they aren't affraid of going to hell for breaking gods laws??

[O71394658]

the non-liberals believe in making judgements(i.e. not leaving it to god).. they cannot embrace anyone that has a view that is different than thiers.. hate is easy for that type of person.. natural even

Nice hypocritical statements. :) Yes, let's place the millions of people in the U.S. and say they're all green with envy and judgmental. :/

[El Blanco]

haaha animal rights activists don't attack lab tech's they attack the labs.

And our bombs don't hit Iraqi people, they hit Iraqi buildings. Kind of splitting hairs, aren't we?

why do people hate liberals? that's easy.. envy

What? Are you serious? Is that you're "if Vince were a liberal" impression?

the non-liberals believe in making judgements(i.e. not leaving it to god).. they cannot embrace anyone that has a view that is different than thiers

Pot: Hey, Kettle

Kettle: Ya?

Pot: You're black

[Immortal Goat]

See, what you have to understand about Ranxer is that he seems to be a very religious person, and most very religious people I know follow the "Judge not, lest ye be judged (and if you do not believe in this, then you will BURN IN HELL)" philosophy.

[Perndog]

Understanding why someone holds an opinion doesn't make it any less fun to argue. :)

[ranxer]

sorry i'm flippant, i thought we were talking about hatred..

hatred is pretty darn extreem.. honestly when i think of hatred
i think of the opposite of some of our most peaceful leaders..
gandhi, martin luther king.. and jesus.. short list .. theres lots more.
so, it seems to me that hatred is an opposite of love.. no?

the thought that comes over and over about this is that the lack or vacuum that is filled by loss of love is hatred.. envy may be one reason that those that love get barraged by hatred when they speak out.

i.e. i love the world and speak out against hatred and some people can't stand it so they scream at me.. i honestly don't know exactly why but i have my suspicians.. are they correct? 60% at best.

[kellychaos]

I agree that liberals can be abrasive as well. However, I have noticed that there seem to be an awful lot more conservative demogauges (Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Mike Savage) than there are liberal ones.

When you're a hard-line, "my way is the only right way" it's more interesting to see what argument that the centrists and liberals can put up. Since liberals seem to make a more comprimising tact, they would make for interesting radio and interest = listeners/viewers = money. Bottom line: Radio/TV is a business. :/

[The_Rorschach]

"if i take jesus' preaching to heart and turn the other cheek i'm a liberal. . ."

No. . .That would make you a Funde, and by association, a Conservative. . . not that it matters in the end. The Conservative movement as we know it today should really be called something else, they don't rate the legacy they recieve by association. Spoke with my Dad last night, I was feeling him out on commentators like Scarborough, Hannity, Carlson and O'Reilly. He thought O-Reilly was too soft on homosexuality, only to discover I was softer still on the issue, which naturally developed into a rather lengthy and heated argument.

Goldwater was a true Conservative, in my opinion, and many of his social views were fairly liberal. For instance, he believed that one's sexuality, homo or hetero, should not be a factor of consideration when enlisting to serve one's country. Furthermore, he saw it was a constitutional right for one to lead such a lifestyle. Just as abortion should be an issue decided upon state by state, and not at a federal level.

I guess the point of this post is simply to re-enforce Kevin's statement that despite one's political tendancy, they are not the physical manifestation of their party ideaology. People are people, and should be judged on an individual basis. To ask why Conservatives believe Liberals should be skewed is to commit the same flaw in logic as the man whom reputedly said all Liberals should be impaled upon rusted steel.