Global Warming

[TheCoolinator]

So you are saying that Monsato and Wal-Mart are the 'financial bigwigs' pulling the strings in this particular scenario? I don't follow, I'm sorry. When I asked for you to tell me specifics, I wasn't expecting you to say "everyone", that's all.

Answer:

Let me further simplify it by saying anyone who has a vest interested in the synthetic hoax movement

Coolinator, out of curiousity, how old are you and what do you do for a living?

Environmental regulator

[Zhukov]

Uh, that's not specific. When I ask you "Who has a vested interest in the so-called 'synthetic hoax movement'?"

You don't answer:

"Whoever has a vest interested in the synthetic hoax movement".










OH ALSO, if you are an environmental regulator I guess that means you are in the back pocket of whomever has vested interests in the synthetic hoax movement.

[Colonel Flagg]

OH ALSO, if you are an environmental regulator I guess that means you are in the back pocket of whomever has vested interests in the synthetic hoax movement.

OH, SNAP!

:lol

[Dimnos]

Snap fo sho. :lol

[The Leader]

Uh, that's not specific. When I ask you "Who has a vested interest in the so-called 'synthetic hoax movement'?"

You don't answer:

"Whoever has a vest interested in the synthetic hoax movement".
He's already answered the question man. He just posted it in another thread. Can't you read. It's all here. He's already posted the answer. Gosh!

[TheCoolinator]

Uh, that's not specific. When I ask you "Who has a vested interest in the so-called 'synthetic hoax movement'?"

You don't answer:

"Whoever has a vest interested in the synthetic hoax movement".

You have to do your own research.

I posted articles earlier in the debate on the cap and trade schemes. They're a few pages back. :sleep

OH ALSO, if you are an environmental regulator I guess that means you are in the back pocket of whomever has vested interests in the synthetic hoax movement.

No,

I work for a company that doesn't have anything do to with the synthetic Global Warming movement. You do know that there are environmental compliance regulators that don't work for the IPCC and other climate change fraudsters? Don't you?

Please re-read the articles I posted. :|

[Dimnos]

You do know that there are environmental compliance regulators that don't work for the IPCC and other climate change fraudsters? Don't you?

Im going to go out on a limb here and say probably not as he doesnt work in that field. Question though... If you dont work for the IPCC then who do you work for? Is your company hired by other companies or something? What is it that you do?

Please re-read the articles I posted. :|

If he wanted to read an article he wouldnt be here trying to have a discussion. :\

[Colonel Flagg]

I bet Coolie is really Don McLeroy in disguise. :conspiracy

"Somebody has to stand up to experts!"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzrUt9CHtpY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzrUt9CHtpY)

[TheCoolinator]

Im going to go out on a limb here and say probably not as he doesnt work in that field. Question though... If you dont work for the IPCC then who do you work for? Is your company hired by other companies or something? What is it that you do?

Am I this interesting?

It amazes me how the debates always end. They go from me presenting articles, to me being called names, to finally the people in the thread focusing on me personally.

I don't know whether to feel honored or just creeped out. :\

[Dimnos]

Dont flatter yourself. Im not so interested in you so much as I am curious about your job. Im not sure exactly what an environmental regulator does. I suppose that goes double for one that doesnt work for IPCC. But alas you have yet again skirted around answering a question, further proving my initial thought that this is all a big waste of time that is going no where. :(

[TheCoolinator]

Dont flatter yourself.

Oh, I will flatter myself, don't you worry about that. (motions servants to fan him with palm leaves while dropping grapes in his mouth)

I already said my piece a while back. Since then I've felt like I've been in a very long and tedious Q&A session.

If you have any other questions just PM me.

[The Leader]

You have to do your own research.
Is that why you only read articles and not the papers and studies they supposedly quote from?
I work for a company that doesn't have anything do to with the synthetic Global Warming movement. You do know that there are environmental compliance regulators that don't work for the IPCC and other climate change fraudsters?
But the independent researchers and groups that believe in global don't count, right?

[The Leader]

It amazes me how the debates always end. They go from me presenting articles, to me being called names, to finally the people in the thread focusing on me personally.
It wasn't a debate because your argument is based on logical fallacies. Also you're a fucking pussy and you should go kill yourself or something.

[Perndog]

HITLER HITLER NAZI NAZI HITLER

thread over, let's play a different game

[Supafly345]

I love it when people complain about being called names or the CIVILITY of an argument, as if getting your feelings hurt discredits someone.

Here's the brass tax on why people have stopped playing this game with you, as the thread has progressed we began presenting facts, and good arguments, where you would respond to by pretending like they don't exist then posting a thousand links to articles you've never read. And it is clear that you didn't even comprehend most of what you would post yourself, let alone what we would post. It is clear you have no interest understanding, and just have a smug paranoid opinion that is right nomatter what. Whenever anyone presented you with good evidence you would steer off into some conspiratorial rant (er, I mean post a hundred unread links) on why its presumably invalid that rarely had anything to do with the topic at hand. Like I said earlier, you are a mirror image of me back when I was 19, I was dumb as shit and couldn't realize it because I was dumb as shit, so I just kept on arguing... and you still a year older than my current age. Everyone here has recognized this about you, so all we have left to do is deconstruct everything you post. Maybe the nurse will make you take your anxiety medication for once and you'll actually get as embarrassed as you should over this entire thread of shame that is your legacy.
And stop crying over people 'focusing personally' on you. Buy a pack of tampons and come back after your time of the month is over.

[kahljorn]

I'm an environmental regulator that doesn't work for the bad place.

mostly my job is turning off light switches which are not currently being used, try to remember to buy energy saving lightbulbs and walk whenever i can instead of drive
there's a lot of other things but i think that gives you a clearer picture of what people like coolinator and i are up to.

[Zhukov]

Ok guys since I wasn't getting much from coolinator I decided to do my own research like he suggested. What I found was pretty astounding, to say the least.

So I needed to know who it was in particular that has the Synthetic (I'm not too sure why we are using the word 'synthetic', but there you go) Climate Change Hoax Movement, and for a while I was asking the right people the wrong questions. I mean, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink if you know what I mean. I was getting subtle information from The Coolinator, but at the time I just didn't see it. Asking the same question, and getting the question back as an answer just didn't make sense to me, but looking back in hindsight it's all there in plain sight.

Delving further and further into the links he provided me without me knowing it in another thread, I came across some pretty important stuff. I'm talking high priority classified material here. It was enough to turn my world upside down, let me tell you.

I spent all of last night and this morning going over the stats and re-checking the evidence, and it's all true, it's all there. Some people wont have the courage to let the truth into their closed minds, but I think enough will. When people see the truth, THAT'S when things will start to change. The Synthetic Hoax Climate Change Movement is a LIE, and there is no two ways about that. I found out particulars on who is financing these guys, hard to believe who, but I did, and it took me a while to wrap my head around that, but facts are facts.

The Synthetic Climate Hoax Change Movement is financed by all those groups that have vested interests in them. So, by that I mean anyone who will make money out of the Climate Change lie being told to the world right now. All I really had to do was follow the money trail to find out who it was, and it was right there staring me in the face the whole time. So the actual groups, specifically, are, you guessed it, all those groups who make money from The Synthetic Climate Change Hoax Movement. Pretty simple really.

Oh also the Jews.

Ok, that's enough form me, I gotta go, I think they might be onto me. You guys take care and don't let the truth become just another forgotten word, ok? Stay safe.

Zhukov

[Colonel Flagg]

We won't be hearing from Z for awhile. I think he's gone "underground". Where the climate can't hurt you anymore.

[Pentegarn]

We won't be hearing from Z for awhile. I think he's gone "underground". Where the climate can't hurt you anymore.

That's what they want you to think :hypno

[The Leader]

He knows too much, Flagg. You know what we have to do.

[Blasted Child]

I dunno, I'm starting to get a bit suspicious about Zhukov and this whole "climate change hoax movement"-hoax movement. Frankly I think that those who say that those who say the climate change is just a hoax are being manipulated by political and economical forces that have vested interests, are just being manipulated by political and economical forces that have vested interestes.
I'm going to delve deeper into this dirty business. Call the cops if I'm not back within a week.

[Supafly345]

Guys, I have to come clean. I cannot lie to you any longer. I am an operative from the Freemasons, sent here to mislead any Harry Callahans from the truth, and convince all you sheeple into believing the obviously fraudulent research we had our researchers come up with. We own science you see. We also orchestrated 9/11, staged the holocaust, shot Kennedy, own the rights to the infinitely renewable resource unobtanium, and Elvis is our president. You could have walked away, but you just had to keep digging didn't you? But now that you know the truth I can't let any of you leave here alive.

[Blasted Child]

Guys, I have to come clean. I cannot lie to you any longer. I am an operative from the Freemasons, sent here to mislead any Harry Callahans from the truth, and convince all you sheeple into believing the obviously fraudulent research we had our researchers come up with. We own science you see. We also orchestrated 9/11, staged the holocaust, shot Kennedy, own the rights to the infinitely renewable resource unobtanium, and Elvis is our president. You could have walked away, but you just had to keep digging didn't you? But now that you know the truth I can't let any of you leave here alive.

What about the fact that Lou Reed's song "Sword of Damocles" is so weirdly underappreciated - I mean you can hardly find it anywhere, despite it being really good - are you guys behind that too?

[Supafly345]

That was the jews.

[Colonel Flagg]

NOTHING MATTERS ANYMORE - YOU WILL ALL BE ABSORBED.

WE ALREADY HAVE FLAGG. WE'RE COMING FOR YOU NEXT, SUPAFLY.

BE AFRAID.

- THE ILLUMINATI

[Supafly345]

KKKKLLAAAKKKK ++++++ WERP BOOP HUR HUR HUR HUR good luck finDING us human -+-+-+----- the masons were only.our.pawns.\\\\\\|||\\\KKKKAAKKKLAAAKK ++++ soon the greys will invade from the moon +++++





it is useless to resist ist ist ist
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[Tadao]

STOP JEWING UP MY THREAD

[Colonel Flagg]

YOU'RE NEXT MR. TADAO.

[TheCoolinator]

France Abandons Plan for Carbon Tax

After months of political rancor and legal obstacles, the French government on Tuesday shelved its plan to introduce a tax on carbon emissions that had been a cornerstone of President Nicolas Sarkozy’s enviromental policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/global/24iht-carbon.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=a6



Another victory for the people of the world. The act of struggle bears fruits.

[Zhukov]

The only bad thing about this plan was that ordinary working families were going to end up paying more than the polluting corporations.

It was shelved for political, and economical reasons. French companies were going to be put at a disadvantage compared to their German counterparts, who wouldn't be paying the tax.

There was no "struggle" here, except for the continual attempts to make you see logic and reason.

[TheCoolinator]

The only bad thing about this plan was that ordinary working families were going to end up paying more than the polluting corporations.

Isn't that what I've been saying all along? :confused: Can't we agree that this hoax was meant to do this from the beginning. Make the ordinary people pay? Come on Zhukov, your so close.

It was shelved for political, and economical reasons. French companies were going to be put at a disadvantage compared to their German counterparts, who wouldn't be paying the tax.

Once again. That's the POINT. Drive down wages, industry, and allow 3rd world countries to pollute as much as they want. It's austerity for you. Not wallstreet.

There was no "struggle" here, except for the continual attempts to make you see logic and reason.

Wrong,

There were TONS and TONS of Union strikes. It pretty much shut the whole country down. General strikes = struggle.

[Zhukov]

The strikes were because the workers were going to end up paying more than the corporations, because they were going to hurt the French economy, because more jobs would be lost when French manufacturers closed down and moved to Germany/China. Not because of the inherent lie of carbon pollution. There was no struggle by climate change detractors.

France's biggest union, the CGT, said 180 protest marches were planned across the country.

"The issue is getting new direction in economic and social policies," said CGT leader Bernard Thibault, calling on Sarkozy to chart a new course in tackling unemployment and falling living standards.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iqlWaYJZL-_4TxvZopu3B562kpOA



There was no debate about the validity of climate change, and there was no 'victory' for the Climate Change Hoax whatever the fuck you would call yourselves collectively - it's gone back to the drawing board and discussions are planned.

[Colonel Flagg]

As I am an elitist pig, I thought I would correct the obvious grammar and syntax errors in Coolie's last post:

Isn't that what I've been saying all along? :confused: Can't we agree that this hoax was meant to do this from the beginning[1]. Make the ordinary people pay?[2] Come on Zhukov, your [3]so close.

1 - The punctuation should be a question mark, not a period.
2 - This is awkward in context - consider a revision.
3 - Incorrect usage of the pronoun for the contraction.

Once again. That's the POINT. Drive down wages, industry, and allow 3rd world countries to pollute as much as they want. It's austerity for you. Not wallstreet. [4]

4 - This paragraph is fragmentary and choppy. Consider a revision.

There were TONS and TONS of Union strikes [5]. It pretty much shut the whole country down. [6] General strikes = struggle. [7]

5 - The word "tons" implies mass, not quantity. You should use the word "many". Also, using "tons" twice is redundant.
6 - The sentence subject should agree with the plural to which it refers.
7 - This is phrased awkwardly. Consider a revision.

I feel very bourgeois now. :posh

[Supafly345]

I hate people like you.

[Colonel Flagg]

Thank you.

[TheCoolinator]

I hate people like you.

Don't hate, appreciate!

Also this.........V

France backs down on carbon tax plan

The plan would have made France the first big economy to tax harmful carbon emissions, aiming to encourage French consumers to stop wasting energy. But business lobbies feared it would penalise French industry.

Fillon stressed the risk of a competitive disadvantage if the tax were introduced only in France.

He said it would have to work at a European level so as "not to harm the competitiveness of French companies," according to several UMP deputies who met with him in parliament.

The strikes on Tuesday added pressure on Sarkozy.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iqlWaYJZL-_4TxvZopu3B562kpOA



From Zhukov's article.

[The Leader]

What do you mean by "Also this?"

[TheCoolinator]

What do you mean by "Also this?"

What do you mean by "what do you mean"? :love

[The Leader]

Why did you post that quote from the article?

[TheCoolinator]

Why did you post that quote from the article?

Thought it was interesting. Glad that France put the breaks on this stuff.

[The Leader]

It was the corporations who did it. The same groups who you supposedly are against.

[TheCoolinator]

It was the corporations who did it. The same groups who you supposedly are against.

You have to differentiate between who is the designated winners and who will be the losers.

If this Carbon Tax went through then the people who get their goods from countries other then France would have profited while industry in France would have been pretty much destroyed leading to more lay offs, austerity, and the lowering of the standard of living.

There are numerous players in this big Hoax. Even bad people can do good things every once in a while.

1. Created a orchestrated media hysteria about Carbon

2. Use this newly created climate cult to push for carbon legislation

3. Use the legislation to drive down the standard of living, impose austerity, and destroy productive industry.

4. Prope up a carbon speculative market while allowing goods from slave labor country (with no carbon restrictions) to flood in.

[The Leader]

You can't applaud certain acts of the bourgeoisie while fighting against what they stand for. When the revolution comes it will be all or nothing.

[Tadao]

Some one needs to slip him acid. Let him see himself.

[The Leader]

:hypno

[Colonel Flagg]

He is a bad Costner movie. Waterworld or The Postman. Take your pick.

[Supafly345]

IN OTHER WORDS- A COSTNER MOVIE!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Colonel Flagg]

Touché. :(

[jackbency]

I want to say about Global warming. The harmful emissions from commercially farmed animals cause distress on a global level as well as a human level. Ammonia and acetic acid vapors, which can irritate and burn the eyes, nose, and throat. Organic farming utilizes the natural pastures and health of the animals which benefits the animal, the environment and the human and helps to control the harmful emissions produced in farming.

[TheCoolinator]

I want to say about Global warming. The harmful emissions from commercially farmed animals cause distress on a global level as well as a human level. Ammonia and acetic acid vapors, which can irritate and burn the eyes, nose, and throat. Organic farming utilizes the natural pastures and health of the animals which benefits the animal, the environment and the human and helps to control the harmful emissions produced in farming.

Yes,

Factory Farms are a menace to society and the ecosystem but that has nothing to do with the Global Warming Hoax.

[Supafly345]

YaXDzOl6Iog
Oh no =(

[Evil Robot]

Elevators are not dangerous, in fact you have a higher probability of an accident if you take the stairs.

[Colonel Flagg]

Bump (http://www.rdmag.com/Environment-Climate-The-American-allergy-to-global-warming-Why/). (apologies)

I thought this was a good summary of the AGW/no AGW debate, from a scientifically biased point of view. I say biased because, in this day and age, it has been politically divided, with the d's on one side and the r's on the other. The scientist credited with coining the phrase "global warming" back in the '70's was interviewed for the article, so it's good for a historical perspective as well.

I like the commentary below on this same page, where there still reside individuals ostensibly in the scientific community still denying the fact that temperatures are rising, whatever the cause.

[Supafly345]

From what I learned, 'climate change' is older than 'global warming' in the modern lexicon of retarded layman speak; are constantly changing terms in the world of evolving political speech. But the fucking fuckhead fucktards will lead you to believe that scientists have switched from one form of colloquialism to another in an attempt to undermine the casual observer. When its really just a matter of preferance.

[Colonel Flagg]

I'm just waiting for the 'real' debates to start when we can start listening to these right wingnuts answer questions about climate science and intelligent design and sound like the complete morons they are.

[Zhukov]

I'd be more inclined to say that we'll be listening to rightwing nutters tell us about how god is warming the earth in response to allowing homosexual marriage run rampant. They already sound like morons.

There's going to be a point where the absolute majority agrees that we are fucking up the environment of this planet, including politicians, and it's only going to be once we've gone too far and can't fix it.

[Colonel Flagg]

I hope you are wrong.

[monicat]

According to some scientists, the supposed ice age will start once the ocean's salinity reaches a certain level. With the oceans warming, and ice caps melting. The salinity levels of the ocean drops, this alters our oceans dramatically, and changes the cyclical currents already at play. Creating new weather patterns and ultimately, another ice age.

Timescales are still big, from hundreds to thousands of years. But geologically speaking, rapid.

Now this I did not know! Wish I had pay more attention in school to these things, rather than reading british novels. :)

[Dimnos]

British novels? Are you a racist bot or something?

[Esuohlim]

Humans aren't the cause of global warming, you jerks. It's all the sun's fault. We're in an abnormally active sun cycle right now that we haven't had since the mid 1600s, and guess what? Records show that the average global temperature at the time was comparable to today's. THE FUTURE WILL PROVE ME RIGHT, I ASSURE YOU. :eek I don't want to pull a Coolinator and state my lame ass opinions without any real source to back them up, but it's Thanksgiving right now and I'm eating turkey so I'll dig up my sources at a later date.

I feel very dirty for having this opinion on global warming but I find it very strange that something this seemingly obvious is being completely overlooked. If you look at sun cycle records they almost completely match average global temp records for the last few centuries. 60-some-odd years ago the world was worried about global cooling, and the sun cycle was abnormally mellow. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but come on.

[k0k0]

I remember global cooling when I was starting grade school. They were talking about us being in a new ice age. Now it's all global warming, which doesn't sound as fun. I think scientists just like fucking with people.

[ThrashO]

Mulhouse has a good point. The world isn't going to catch on fire, I personally just think sometimes shit gets hotter and sometimes shit gets colder.

[Shyandquietguy]

Whoa there bud, Milhouse ain't your girlfriend.

[Evil Robot II]

The enviroment is gay. you are all gay.

[Fathom Zero]

so wait, the earth's temperature is primarily determined by the sun

woahhhhhhhhhhh

[Esuohlim]

It's determined by our Ford Escorts and our aerosol cans.

[Supafly345]

I feel very dirty for having this opinion on global warming but I find it very strange that something this seemingly obvious is being completely overlooked. If you look at sun cycle records they almost completely match average global temp records for the last few centuries. 60-some-odd years ago the world was worried about global cooling, and the sun cycle was abnormally mellow. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but come on.I can't tell if you are joking or not.
This correlation between our planet's heat and the sun's output ceases around the 70s. Climatologists aren't retarded, they have considered this, and if you look at the planetary heat in a shorter time-span than centuries, and reduce it down to only the past 100 years, you will see a distinct separation of the two heat scales with the planets ramping noticably higher than the suns.
Yes the sun's output has been higher in the past 25 years, reaching outrageous levels in the late 90s early 2000s, however it has stabilized while the planet continues to get hotter. In the next decade the suns heat is predicted to go down dramatically to points where some alarmist have started to spread rumors of a 'mini-ice age', but the heat of the planet is not projected to cool to that level despite the cool sun. And we haven't even seen how hot it could get once El-nino starts up again.
Yes the effect of co2 and methane on our temperature is miniscule compared to the effect of the sun, of course, but its similar to turning on a heater in your house just a tiny bit when there is already a fire going: that ten extra degrees will be too much for you.

On the note of the public, and political perspective of this matter, I am very irritated with people who are suddenly "believing" in global warming lately just because they are having to run the air conditioner on higher than usual in the past couple of years. Its not something you can tell with just a thermometer, you need the proper data that does indeed say we are hotter than we should be.
Global warming isn't exactly a 100% real thing yet. We aren't as sure about it as we are evolution, or gravity, or any of the other things that are allowed to be taught in schools as fact.
Nobody should be saying that global warming is definitely real, but rather just be taken seriously as definite threat and combat if it happens to be so. What we have so far does not mean that we are definitely the cause of the heat, it only appears to be that way. We should definitely treat it as though it is a real thing though, just in case.

[Fathom Zero]

'Global warming' as a phrase taken literally is very much true. Relative to the length of time humanity's had to accurately measure temperature, shit's getting hotter.

It's mainly the marketing that bothers me - more so for global conservation than things like the evolution and gravity. If it can be proven or, failing that, believable, then people can be duped. I hate con-artists and rubes more than anything else on Earth.

[Pentegarn]

Well to the sun causes it argument I would say this.

Gradually, that is the case, stars expand, they all expand. As they get bigger they get both hotter and closer.

So in a very very very slow way, global warming is an unstoppable natural occurrence

:astronomy

[Pentegarn]

Also

Why why why when Coolinator posted his post about CO2 and 5 billlion people did not one of us, myself included, think to post the scene from Spaceballs where Druidia was getting all the air sucked out and Dick Van Patten was getting asphyxiated?

I feel like that was a missed opportunity

EDIT: :lol at the Coolinator grasping at the obvious spambot bump from April 2010 as though it were a legitimate poster of substance agreeing with him.

Glad this got bumped, it was a fun walk down memory lane

[Fathom Zero]

The Sun's gonna implode soon anyway. :\

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Humans aren't the cause of global warming, you jerks. It's all the sun's fault. We're in an abnormally active sun cycle right now that we haven't had since the mid 1600s, and guess what? Records show that the average global temperature at the time was comparable to today's. THE FUTURE WILL PROVE ME RIGHT, I ASSURE YOU. :eek I don't want to pull a Coolinator and state my lame ass opinions without any real source to back them up, but it's Thanksgiving right now and I'm eating turkey so I'll dig up my sources at a later date.

I feel very dirty for having this opinion on global warming but I find it very strange that something this seemingly obvious is being completely overlooked. If you look at sun cycle records they almost completely match average global temp records for the last few centuries. 60-some-odd years ago the world was worried about global cooling, and the sun cycle was abnormally mellow. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but come on.

I couldn't find any correlation

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=gasoline+prices+in+the+1600s&pbx=1&oq=gasoline+prices+in+the+1600s&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2110l6454l0l6735l28l13l0l8l8l0l656l2857l0.5 .5.1.0.1l16l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=cfc3d9a59c65e3bb&biw=1024&bih=530&safe=active

[Fathom Zero]

My exhaustive research has yielded similar results.