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Jun 4th, 2011 10:45 PM | |||||||
Dimnos | Much like gay prison sex? | ||||||
Jun 2nd, 2011 03:16 AM | |||||||
kahljorn | I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THIS THREAD | ||||||
May 23rd, 2011 12:27 PM | |||||||
WhiteRat |
This might be a decent deterrent: |
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May 23rd, 2011 05:56 AM | |||||||
Pentegarn | Unless you like gay prison sex | ||||||
May 23rd, 2011 03:44 AM | |||||||
Fathom Zero | I'd say it's a decent deterrent. | ||||||
May 21st, 2011 04:51 PM | |||||||
Pentegarn | |||||||
May 21st, 2011 12:32 PM | |||||||
Dimnos | Gay prison sex is a crucial part of the American correctional system. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 04:36 PM | |||||||
Pentegarn | I will miss the Philo mod era, it made me laugh | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 03:21 PM | |||||||
kahljorn |
MAKE ME THE PHILO MOD WATCH HOW I TOTALLY DESTROY ZHUKOV LATER WITH MY ARGUMENTS WITH A COMPLETE LACK OF HUMOR |
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May 20th, 2011 03:09 PM | |||||||
Tadao | I regret nothing! | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 03:04 PM | |||||||
Chojin |
k that's about enough of that no more philo modz |
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May 20th, 2011 01:09 PM | |||||||
Zhukov | I'm pro gay prison sex. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 01:00 PM | |||||||
WhiteRat | Not seeing them is part of the fun! | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 12:23 PM | |||||||
Tadao | Beats not seeing the man who just stole your beggars bowl outside in the hot sun. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 12:21 PM | |||||||
The Leader | I for one would rather be able to see the men who rape me in the shower daily, thank you very much. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 11:38 AM | |||||||
Tadao | Good thing we all don't have to do what you want then. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 11:34 AM | |||||||
Zhukov | Yes, that's exactly what I am saying, well done. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 11:20 AM | |||||||
Tadao | So you would rather have your eyes burned out with acid than go to prison? I'm not basing this on revenge or whatever, I'm basing it on crime prevention. I'm sure Iran can afford to keep people in prison forever, the only problem with that is that lifers become kings in prison and they are very angry and very powerful. | ||||||
May 20th, 2011 08:25 AM | |||||||
Zhukov |
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Both points lead into what I had said before that you do what is best for society - and I am thinking here in the long run, and you can call that wrong if you like - but the elimination of high level criminals creates a culture of violence (which isn't comparable to prison time, or euthanasia) which becomes so much the norm in society that people might not even think about it. Obviously executing prisoners isn't the sole perp here, nor the biggest. I just think it's one of the reasons. I don't think locking people up is hiding a problem, quite the opposite. In an ideal prison (which doesn't exist, but there are certainly model prisons out there that aim for such ideals) it wouldn't be about locking people up to keep them away - it would be about locking them up to reform them. Call me a dreamer, whatever. Quote:
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While people being in prison in the US is big business, and them making flak jackets and electric kettles for 25c an hour is the reason they are currently not just being executed, my statements about treating people decently for the betterment of mankind blah blah blah is the reason they SHOULDN'T just execute the motherfuckers. I understand if you don't want to read or reply to all that. Sorry. |
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May 19th, 2011 05:38 AM | |||||||
kahljorn |
oh yea and why should people pay to keep other worthless fuckers alive who will never contribute anything to society... oh wait never mind you're a communist. ;/ But if you're a communist and doing things for the common good maybe you should just execute the fuck out of them to save money and such. |
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May 18th, 2011 07:22 PM | |||||||
kahljorn |
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Besides, locking somebody up in prison for life is as much/more heinous than just executing them humanely. And again, it doesn't keep the violence from circulating in society: 1) they can get out of prison. 2) violence still circulates in the prisons; people who are in those prisons for non-murder related convictions will get out, after having been exposed to that violent atmosphere (which, according to your argument will have some kind of an effect on that person); those peopel will then get out and circulate further violence in society (because they were not in their for murder). Plus prison employees will be exposed to it, which again, by your argument, will have some kind of affect on them, and they will be circulating around in society. also the atmosphere of violence within a prison has to be far worse than in actual society. So decent people could easily be totally corrupted by it. You know I will just ask you: What is the point of keeping somebody alive who you don't want to/cant have anything to do with society? that's like saying you shouldn't pull the plug on terry shiavo because it creates a society thats solves problems with violence Quote:
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May 18th, 2011 08:03 AM | |||||||
Zhukov |
I'd see an acid blinding sentence to be a deterrent for, say, a theft crime, or something akin to that. I don't think a potential murderer or acid blinder would be doing much rational thought before their crime, since even a life term in prison should be enough to turn your average sensible person away from such things. I guess there are going to be exceptions, obviously. Anyway, this guy still did his crime, even with the punishment being known to him. It's not like Iranians are at all surprised when this stuff happens; it's third page news stuff. If it stops ONE person from doing it, then I guess it is successful in that regard, but I think the alternative might work better - we might not ever find out though. As for my sense of justice, well, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I generally would like people to aim for a large serving of what's best for society, a side of decency and progressive morals, a splash of deterrent, and a dash of revenge. The world's not perfect, but we should at least aim in the general direction, I think. |
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May 18th, 2011 07:00 AM | |||||||
Dimnos |
First off I would like to say I think blinding is cruel and unusual. Im all for locking real criminals up while reserving the right to kill the truly deserving. (Capital punishment has its own thread and if you want to talk about that go there.) As far as punishments being a deterrent of crime thought... I think burning his eyes with acid does more to deter future acid attacks than throwing him in prison. How does it not? If so much as one person thinks "Oh damn. I dont my eyes burned out with acid, I better not do that." Then it has accomplished its goal. You could say Throwing him in prison will have the same effect from a more peaceful resolution but how many people will think "Whats the worst that will happen? They throw me in jail?". Also consider how much violence will spread in prison because of that guy. I dont know what the Iranian prison system is like, this conversation is kind of in general terms anyway, but how many fights will he get into with other prisoners? Or with the guards? Its not exactly fair to compare any other country to Americas prison system, that needs to be drastically changed, but it usually produces a more violent criminal more often than it releases a rehabilitated one. Just out of curiosity, what is justive about to you Z? Im not trying to undermine your arguments with this or anything, I honestly want to know. If justice isnt about fairness then what is it about? |
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May 17th, 2011 12:18 PM | |||||||
Zhukov |
I'm the only one who didn't want Tadao as a mod, I'm just a jealous fag. Sorry guys. Kahl, I can see what you are saying. Treat others how you want to be treated after all. This guy goes acid, so by his own sense of justice he should get acid - that's what is fair, and that is what his own values live up to. But I think that we as a society, and Iran as a society, shouldn't be living up to such a person's values. You guys see this from a one person point of view, as in, make him blind and it stops him attacking again, execute the violent criminals and it stops their violent crime, treat criminals how they treat their victims because that's what they deserve. I'm looking at it from a perspective of how it affects society. It stops circulating violence if you kill the violent - but only the ones you kill. The rest of society just learns to deal with it's problems violently. The acid attack problem in Iran is not caused by their justice system though; it's caused by generations of looking down on women as being owned by men. As well as that I don't think their eye for an eye system is helping to change the country into a more open and tolerant one. In all honesty, if the report was that the woman tracked her attacker down and threw a bucket of acid in his face, I would probably be less disdainful than an organised effort by the government to do it. Still, I'd be somewhat disdainful, but dude got what he deserved. |
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May 17th, 2011 10:49 AM | |||||||
Tadao | They also complain a lot about conspiracies and people being unfair to them. You'll fit right in Z-Man. | ||||||
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