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Sep 2nd, 2003 08:49 PM
kahljorn Nothing wrong with a little sweat shop action. The poor hungry mostly useless people of another country get to put togeter shoes for us 14 hours a day for a loaf of bread and some out-of-date hawaain punch, and we get a pair of heels to wear one night on prom and never wear again.
Aug 31st, 2003 12:40 AM
bluedisc
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the reason why products are discounted (cheap) at wal-mart is that they kinda make promise's with manufacturers and say "you make 1000 'bling bling' at this cheap price this year and we will buy 1000 more next year at a higher cost" well, then the manufaturer sez "awsome, allright ill build a bigger factory and hier more people cause right now we make 100 at a time, but if you want a 1000 were gonna need a bigger force!" so they do that and they lose money, but they will make it all back... right? wrong, come next year wal-mart sez "no, we still want it at the cheaper price". and the manufacturer can't do it. so they got a huge expensive factory and a lot of workers. they gotta lay off people and shut down the factory. look people wal-marts really sucky. go to target or one of the k-marts thats still around. also, no one gets paid well, no one can buy houses. america is run on credit, and dont you forget it. in final, wal-mart is a sick biz. dont invest, dont buy, dont sell, dont speak their name! erg, just thinking about it makes me mad! KHOLS rox! - gln
Aug 30th, 2003 09:22 PM
Immortal Goat Because they are used to working in dingy little places with low pay. However, they are NOT used to overweight, overly mustaciod women that look like they might kill you if you ask where the electronics department is.
Aug 30th, 2003 03:08 PM
Big Papa Goat
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Originally Posted by The One and Only...
Maybe instead of building Coca-Cola plants in enemy countries, we should build Wal-Marts.
Why bother with actual Wal Marts when we can build Wal Mart sweatshops in enemy countries!
Aug 30th, 2003 10:26 AM
Zhukov Are the products they make poor quality, or is it just because they are run by cunts?
Aug 30th, 2003 10:20 AM
The One and Only... Maybe instead of building Coca-Cola plants in enemy countries, we should build Wal-Marts.
Aug 30th, 2003 09:19 AM
AChimp Admit it. You love the fatties.
Aug 29th, 2003 08:50 PM
Baalzamon
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it takes patience and work but feels better than buying crap at chainstores, i really don't understand why people don't think about it most of the time.
because it takes patience and work.

people today want instant gratification in everything, especially when purchasing something.
Aug 29th, 2003 07:49 PM
ranxer one of my pet peeves is when people tell me 'hey there's a sale over at blabla you wouldnt believe how cheap i got this stuff!'

i feel like slapping them.. 'why do you think it was so cheap?!'
did they use inferior materials? probly, did they use sweatshop labor?! most likely.. the easiest way to cut down costs is to pay workers less.. every other cost cutting innovation either reduces quality or costs in investment like better machines etc. and as was said above there's always someone to replace the workers who have had enough of being treated like crap.

to get around wal-mart i dumpster dive and garbage pick almost religiously .. i get 3 of everything used(if i have the space) fix things up and shop at thrift stores.. it takes patience and work but feels better than buying crap at chainstores, i really don't understand why people don't think about it most of the time.
Aug 29th, 2003 04:02 PM
Baalzamon I hate walmart and everything it represents. Not only do i refuse to purchase anything from them, I start to feel sick just walking past the place.

When I go inside I feel like an animal in a cage, as dozens of fat unemployed women try and run me over with shopping carts and corner me in the narrow aisles.

I quickly develop an intense urge to kill, and this feeling only passes once I have left the store and gotten out of sight of it.
Aug 29th, 2003 03:57 PM
The One and Only... I have no problem with unions in the sense of the word: I don't think they should have the power to force you to join them, I would never want to see a union sponsored by the government, and I do not think they should have the power to force you to stay in the union. If it was your decision to become a member, rather than by force, then you pay the consequences and reap the rewards of your actions.

In all honesty, I want to see the people take care of this themselves. A mass boycott by the Wal-Mart workers demanding higher wages would be good (not increases in Welfare and Social Security).
Aug 29th, 2003 02:40 PM
KevinTheOmnivore You're a better man/woman/asian pic than I.
Aug 29th, 2003 02:28 PM
O71394658 I'm somewhat proud to say I've never set foot in a Walmart before.
Aug 29th, 2003 12:54 PM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by AChimp
but then again, no one is forcing anyone to make Wal-Mart their career.:/
Yeah, but the American economy has moved very much towards being a "part-time economy." Part-time, low benefits employers are now among the biggest job providers in the country.

A lot of people indeed DO have to work at Wal-mart, whether it be the need for a second income in the house to pay bills, or something else. Nobody really wants to be a lifer at a place like this, but many have absolutely no choice.
Aug 29th, 2003 12:01 PM
ranxer yea, but paul harvey(jr.) says its the best company in america!

most stockholders just don't care how the profits are made, ..go capitalism! damn short term views.
Aug 28th, 2003 09:21 PM
Big Papa Goat But for anyone who works in, or owns a clothing manufacturer, or retailer that might compete with Wal-Mart, they'd be forced to accept low wages, or cut costs in order to compete with Wal-Mart. So Wal-Marts sweatshop policies drive wages down for workers that don't work for them.
Aug 28th, 2003 09:03 PM
AChimp I agree with a lot of points raised in this article, and Wal-Mart has some pretty despicable business practices (they seem to be the only business that actually outright crushes competition rather than competing and letting the free market decide), but then again, no one is forcing anyone to make Wal-Mart their career.:/
Aug 28th, 2003 08:57 PM
Jeanette X I've said it time and time again. Walmart is the work of Satan himself.
Aug 28th, 2003 07:25 PM
The One and Only...
Wal-Mart economy killing the american dream.

In Wal-Mart's America

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 27, 2003; Page A25


If you had to pick a time and a place where the 20th century (as a distinct historical epoch) began in America, you could do a lot worse than 90 years ago in Highland Park, Mich. It was there, in 1913, that Henry Ford opened his new Model-T plant and announced, a few months later, that he'd pay his workers a stunning $5 a day on the revolutionary theory that the men who built cars should make enough money to buy them.


Within a couple of decades, it wasn't just cars that the men on the assembly line could afford. Particularly after the United Auto Workers burst on the scene in the mid-'30s to win successively larger wage settlements for its members, Detroit became the American metropolis with the highest rate of home ownership during the first half of the century. In the post-World War II period, that distinction shifted to Los Angeles, where vast housing tracts sprang up around the unionized aerospace factories that were then the city's largest employers.

So in honor of yet another Labor Day, here's a depressing question: Where are the housing booms for the current generation of working-class Americans? Not around factories, that's for sure: We close factories in America today. In the past four years, the United States has lost nearly one in nine manufacturing jobs, including 20 percent in durable-goods industries such as autos.

You won't find any housing development radiating outward from the center of the new service and retail economy, either. Ford and General Motors are yesterday's news; the employer that now sets the standards for working-class America is Wal-Mart. The nation's largest employer, with 3,200 outlets in the United States and sales revenue of $245 billion last year (which, if War-Mart were a nation, would rank it between Belgium and Sweden as the world's 19th largest economy) doesn't pay its workers -- excuse me, "associates" -- enough to buy decent cars, let alone homes. According to a study by Forbes, Wal-Mart employees earn an average hourly wage of $7.50 and, annually, a princely $18,000.

Just as Ford, GM and the UAW once drove up wages for workers who were nowhere near auto factories, so Wal-Mart drives down wages for workers who never set foot there. Controlling as it does so much of the low-end retail market, Wal-Mart has, with great success, pressured suppliers to cut their labor costs. No other American company has done as much to destroy what's left of the U.S. clothing and textile industry or been so loyal a friend to the dankest sweatshops of the developing world. And unless American unions can find the political leverage to block Wal-Mart's expansion into non-southern metropolitan areas, the company poses a huge threat to the million or so unionized clerks who work at the nation's major supermarket chains.

It may just be me, but I don't recall the moment when the American people proclaimed their preference for an economy driven by Wal-Mart to the one driven by General Motors. It is, after all, one thing to live in a nation where the largest employer wants workers to make enough to afford its cars; quite another to wake up in an America where the largest employer wants workers to make so little they'll be compelled to buy low-end goods in a discount chain. Indeed, polling has consistently showed that a clear majority of the American people have been dubious about the benefits of free trade -- but these are the only polls that the political elite, so poll-driven on other questions, has consistently ignored. By the same token, polling also shows that Americans believe workers should have the right to join unions free of intimidation, yet that has not been the case in the American workplace for at least the past three decades.

Prodded by a labor movement that's grown smarter, if not more powerful, since John Sweeney took the helm at the AFL-CIO eight years ago, the Democrats have finally started to move on these questions. Most of their presidential candidates now say that labor and environmental standards and worker rights have to be an integral part of any future trade agreements, and that labor law must be reformed so that workers can again join unions without fear of being fired.

The relation of union power to mass prosperity is, in a word, causal. Anyone who doubts that should go to the only American city today where there's a boom in housing construction for the working class: Las Vegas. The MGM-Grand, the Bellagio and Caesar's Palace are the Ford and GM there, and a quite brilliant hotel workers union, which has won the right to represent the workers in all the strip hotels, is the latter-day UAW. And the desert rings with hammering and sawing as homes go up for the only low-end service-sector workers in the Wal-Mart economy who've won the living standards to sustain the American dream.

The writer is editor at large of The American Prospect.


© 2003 The Washington Post Company

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