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Jan 8th, 2004 06:43 PM
The_Rorschach I second CLA. It is not inherently so, yet in a culture espoused with materialism that is the inevitable fate of commercial enterprise to turn people from citizens into competitors rending mutual-reliance and replacing it with capital-driven parasitism.
Jan 8th, 2004 03:28 PM
theapportioner From the article:

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And this is the role, the essential role, of libertarian intellectuals: to change the ideological culture in ways that make people aware of the antisocial nature of the state, and how it always stands outside of society, no matter how democratic it may claim to be.
This is preposterous. Capitalism is the prime mover of anti-sociality.
Jan 7th, 2004 05:28 PM
kellychaos For Christmas, his parents just bought him a Fisher Price briefcase complete with stock portfolio coloring book and a toy Motorolla that says "Buy low, sell high!" when you press the button.
Jan 3rd, 2004 06:06 PM
Anonymous Kelly, the lad still has three years to go before you can legally call him 'mister.'
Jan 3rd, 2004 01:20 PM
kellychaos Let's pretend that that is our present economy. Why do I get the feeling that OAO believes that he would be amongst the monopolizing Mellons and Carnegies and not a simple part of the 98% pion class? I've seen nothing so far to justify this arrogance whether in be in intelligence, diction, wordly knowledge, business acumen, ect. The majority of his posts are simply collages of libetarian cut-n-paste rhetoric. Is there an entrepreneur in our midst? That being the case Mr. OAO, I have to ask what is in it for you to advocate that type of economy?
Jan 2nd, 2004 06:23 PM
Brandon YOU KNOW WHAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT ENOUGH HERE?

LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISM!
Jan 2nd, 2004 03:48 PM
kellychaos
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Originally Posted by Zhukov
While scroling down I saw this:

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Hence Lesson One in the uniqueness of the state: the state has one tool, and one tool only, at its disposal: force.
I totaly agree!

Lets take control of it!
I only have one tool.
Jan 2nd, 2004 12:58 PM
Protoclown FOR TALKING ABOUT THE MARKET AS MUCH AS YOU DO YOU SURE MUST LIKE BUYING GROCERIES, I'M TELLING YA
Jan 2nd, 2004 12:13 PM
Zhukov Cheers
Jan 2nd, 2004 12:10 PM
The One and Only... Yes, capitalism has existed. No, the exact extent of the state which I would support has not existed - in some cases, the state has even been too small.
Jan 2nd, 2004 12:07 PM
Zhukov "Market orientated"?

"Some like to site..."?

Do you think it's YES or NO to your version of Capitalism existing in the past or present?
Jan 2nd, 2004 11:42 AM
The One and Only... Well... the Gupta empire of India was very market oriented - while the concept of capitalism was certainly nonexistant, texts have been found detailing a system which was roughly capitalist. Only those who tilled the royal lands payed taxes, and local governments held the most power. It was more like a confederation of city-states than anything else.

More extreme versions of capitalist societies include medieval Iceland, which was nearly anarcho-capitalist in nature. Some also like to site the "Wild" West as a very capitalist society.
Jan 2nd, 2004 10:34 AM
Zhukov Sorry for being vague, it was an on-the-fly question.

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You cannot say "yes" or "no" to such a question unless capitalism is specifically defined, and at the current time, it is fairly broad.
I directed it to you so I could get your own definition of 'capitalism', which I was assuming was lassaiz-fair entirely-free-market stuff.

I also assumed that you do not count the US , or any other country, as capitalist. I was Just Checking.

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This question should be placed in a certain historical economical and social context. The whole of time just won't do.
Wel I was thinking of Capitalism as a economical and social context in itself, if that makes sense. If the whole of time is not good for you, make it anywhere between, ooh, 1700-2004. However, I don't see why the whole of history poses a problem, once you know what your definition is it should be simple. At least, that's what I think...
Jan 2nd, 2004 02:03 AM
Helm Well he's right it's a loaded question. This question should be placed in a certain historical economical and social context. The whole of time just won't do.
Jan 1st, 2004 04:53 PM
camacazio No it's not. He's talking about pure, laissez-fair, get-what-you-work-for capitalism.
Jan 1st, 2004 02:37 PM
The One and Only... The question was incorrect. You cannot say "yes" or "no" to such a question unless capitalism is specifically defined, and at the current time, it is fairly broad.
Jan 1st, 2004 02:29 PM
Supafly345 I didn't know a "yes or no" question had degrees.
You aren't actually planning on answering that question are you?
Jan 1st, 2004 01:26 PM
The One and Only... Depends on what degree of it you are talking about. The 1800's were pretty capitalist.
Jan 1st, 2004 09:47 AM
Zhukov As soon as I read "As soon as I read "laissez-faire creates monopolies", I discounted you as ignorant" I discounted you as ignorant.

One does not have to be an anarchist to realise that the 'state' is ready to be replaced.

EDIT: Quick question OAO, has Capitalism ever existed?
Dec 31st, 2003 08:27 PM
The One and Only... As soon as I read "laissez-faire creates monopolies", I discounted you as ignorant.
Dec 31st, 2003 12:14 PM
MatthewCleveland I'll go for it.

Speaking purely in terms of our government, (the US), if only because it's what effects us and because I don't study in detail the socialist governments in Europe. Our governments beaurcracy is entirely out of line and over inflated. But Lassaiz-faire won't work, becasue as much as theoreticly the power is in the consumers to choose, lassaiz-faire fixes that little problem by the creation of monopolies. But your inevitable arguement to that is that obviously this monopoly was able to fihg toff the competitors with better products to the consumers. But people lie, frauds happen and what happens is eventually under true lassaiz-faire you are going to end up with a select few (if not on super trust) that is controlling 90%+ of the economic sectors. The state needs to ahve some control to keep that from happening.

But I entirely agree with you on some of hte laws passed by Congress where they exempt themselves from the rules. So do what you can then, lobby, run, support a canidate with your views. Go out into your city and convince peopel spread your movement. That's the point of the republic.
Dec 31st, 2003 10:40 AM
Occupant
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Originally Posted by Mew Barios
in 19XX...

crime ruled the streets of new york city after the nuclear war. even with crime syndicates growing bigger every year, two young men were brave enough to challenge them. while their names were billy and jimmy lee..

..people called them the double dragons!



Are there any anarchists over thirty? Hell, over twenty for that matter?
Dec 31st, 2003 10:17 AM
Zhukov While scroling down I saw this:

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Hence Lesson One in the uniqueness of the state: the state has one tool, and one tool only, at its disposal: force.
I totaly agree!

Lets take control of it!
Dec 30th, 2003 11:39 PM
Brandon YOU JUST SHUSH! CAN'T YOU SEE HE'S TRYING TO STIMULATE DISCUSSION ON LIBERTARIANISM?
Dec 30th, 2003 10:34 PM
Jeanette X
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