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| Mar 3rd, 2004 03:53 PM | |||
| kellychaos | Aristid's been proven to be a failure at leadership not once but twice. At the very least, he should be thanking us for smuggling his ass out of there before something worse happened to him rather than accuse our troops of virtually kidnapping him. I say, let them duke it out amongst themsevles in a big island cage match and support the winner. The only time peace-keeping seems to work is when we actually occupy the country ... and I don't see any kind of trade embargo being that effective when a country is already that poor. | ||
| Mar 3rd, 2004 02:49 PM | |||
| mburbank |
Duvalier is now actively talking about returning to Haiti. I wonder if he'd be interested in buying a democratic election? Seriously, we could talk to him and get him to agree to do things the way we want them done in Haiti the way we want them done, and then we could buy him an election. That way we'd have our own pet dictator on the throne and be supporting democracy at the same time, which seems like a win win to me. Plus, dictators we prop up never turn against us. We've been very lucky that way. |
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| Mar 1st, 2004 08:08 AM | |||
| davinxtk |
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| Mar 1st, 2004 07:47 AM | |||
| Zhukov |
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One of two things will happen: either the US marines will move in to make sure the murderous thugs settle in nicely and perhaps move the furniture around a little, or the rebels will be shown for who they are (but not who supported them) and will be replaced with a puppet of Washington leading to possibly more armed bloodshed. |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 05:25 PM | |||
| DamnthatDavid |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 12:49 PM | |||
| El Blanco |
While they didn't deliver much in the way of ground forces, the French did come through with strategists, logistics and naval support. Oh, and Zuk, I always laugh at French jokes. Quote:
"Ok, 2 million Haitians have been summarily executed, now we should look into intervention." |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 12:00 PM | |||
| The One and Only... | What I mean to say is that other than these ex-military rebels, Haiti doesn't seem to have any strong military force. | ||
| Feb 29th, 2004 11:54 AM | |||
| Zhukov |
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 OH SHIT  Feb 29, 10:29 AM (ET) By PAISLEY DODDS and IAN JAMES PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) - Haiti's beleaguered President Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned and flew into exile Sunday. Gunfire rang out through the capital, and the United States said an international peacekeepers - including Americans - would be deployed soon. The head of Haiti's supreme court said he was taking charge. U.N. diplomats said key Security Council members would begin to talk Sunday about a resolution to authorize an international force. Prime Minister Yvon Neptune said at a press conference that Aristide resigned to "prevent bloodshed." (AP) Rebel leader Lois Jodel Chamblain celebrates after news of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide's... Full Image At the same news conference, U.S. Ambassador James Foley insisted the United States had not asked Aristide to resign. "President (Jean-Bertrand) Aristide made a decision for the good of the Haitian people," Foley said. "International military forces including U.S. forces will be rapidly arriving in Haiti to begin to restore a sense of security." A jet carrying the ex-leader landed on the island of Antigua for refueling and was headed to South Africa, local radio stations reported. But the government in Johannesburg said there had been no recent contact with Aristide nor an offer of asylum. Three hours after Aristide's departure, Supreme Court Justice Boniface Alexandre declared he was taking over as called for by the constitution. He urged calm after more than three weeks of violence. "The task will not be an easy one," Alexandre, who is in his 60s, said at a news conference. "Haiti is in crisis. ... It needs all its sons and daughters. No one should take justice into their own hands." Despite Alexandre's declaration that he was in charge, the Haitian constitution calls for parliament to approve him as leader and the legislature has not met since early this year when lawmakers' terms expired. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040229/D8110AJ80.html There's pictures, too. |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 11:49 AM | |||
| The One and Only... |
And about Bush "protecting" America from Haitian refugees... I feel your pain, Burbank. That and the trade embargo are only aggravating the situation. It seems these rebels are members of the military. That could pose some problems, because the last thing we need to do is act Haiti's military for a while and pump out more money for reconstruction. I suppose if it gets too bad, military intervention is a last resort, but surely some sort of diplomatic answer is in order. |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 11:41 AM | |||
| The One and Only... |
Maybe, but it would have been a long, painful haul. Of course, the British fought like idiots anyway, what with the red coats and lined-up units... |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 11:33 AM | |||
| Zhukov | Toast? I think the yanks would have won eventualy. That doesn't mean that French interferance wasn't welcome, though. | ||
| Feb 29th, 2004 10:56 AM | |||
| The One and Only... |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 07:43 AM | |||
| Zhukov |
I don't think anyone laughs at those anti-French jokes anymore. :/  One of 92 000 Frenchman who gave their lives during a six week campaign of resistance in 1940. |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 05:02 AM | |||
| DamnthatDavid |
Ok, ok, I found this history nitpick once long ago, and I have found it again. Saddly, the original page I got it from had links to historical info on every war. (Added some more I found myself) - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted. - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians. - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots - Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her. - War of Revolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux. - The Dutch War - Tied - War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power. - War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since. - American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting." - French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French. (During the Revolution, the French Congress declared war on Austria. No one noticed.) - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer. - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night. - World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline. - World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song. - War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu - Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux. - War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's. The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?" "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage." |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 03:31 AM | |||
| davinxtk |
Not to mention the French Revolution. And even then, half of them lost. |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 01:46 AM | |||
| DamnthatDavid |
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The American Revolution? bah, we would of won, just would of taken longer. World War 1? I thought the french women would of appreciated some real war winning men. World War 2? The only thing they contributed to the war was all those nice little white flags that the Germans used after the French where finished with them. All other conflicts? Oi? The only time France has ever won any war was when they served under a Peasent Girl with visions, and a short man from Corsica. |
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| Feb 29th, 2004 01:20 AM | |||
| Big Papa Goat | raise your hands if you think davin knows what he's talking about | ||
| Feb 29th, 2004 12:38 AM | |||
| davinxtk | Raise your hand if you see involvement without a maintained presence as an actual possibility. | ||
| Feb 28th, 2004 10:39 AM | |||
| The One and Only... |
What are you talking about, Davin? We only won the war because of the French. I would be a lot more willing to dump troops in Haiti than what we did to Iraq. We may not be able to support successful coups, but we surely crush them. I doubt it would hurt America's security very badly... these guys don't sound like they have an extensive amount of resources at their disposal, and they don't sound crazy enough to do suicidal things. Still, we should refrain from making a permanent military presence there. |
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| Feb 28th, 2004 10:11 AM | |||
| davinxtk | For real. | ||
| Feb 28th, 2004 08:08 AM | |||
| Pub Lover | Davin's talking too much. Quick someone, get a mirror! | ||
| Feb 28th, 2004 07:28 AM | |||
| davinxtk |
The French? Are you actually considering them a mentionable part of any wartime activity, spare the Maquis? I've heard what's going on in Haiti referred to as a revolution. Maybe I've heard wrong. |
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| Feb 28th, 2004 05:05 AM | |||
| Zhukov |
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Sorry, I guess I just believe everything I hear on TV. Perhaps I should think outside the circle of the status quo and see what other ideas there are. Whenever I hear something said on the news, I take it as fact, when really I should be more wary of whatever is said.I don't live in Haiti, but what are you doing to furhter the revolution there? Are you for, or against the rebels? Have they taken over your town or city yet? Are they close? It's a conflict between different sections of the ruling class. I don't know why the US should be overtly happy/sad about it, and so far I haven't seen anything to say that they are. Whatever support it might get from the desperate, it's not a revolution but a coup. You are obviously confusing violent changes of government with revolution. Your "revolutionaries" are capitalist/criminal funded armed gangs who are fighting for governmental power. There might be a coup (and most probably a reactionary one), but no revolution. Quote:
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| Feb 27th, 2004 10:06 PM | |||
| davinxtk |
Catbread? You actually still post here? |
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| Feb 27th, 2004 09:56 PM | |||
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