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| Mar 4th, 2003 12:24 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Agreed, sorry, don't know if anything I'm saying makes good sense, one too many brooklyn lagers. | |
| Mar 4th, 2003 12:22 AM | ||
| GAsux |
Kev As you can imagine, I certainly agree with your sentiments with regards to having a commander in chief who's gotten at least a remote taste of what war entails. I think conscription works well in times of peace. There are certain aspects of such service that would probably do lots of young folks well. I suppose the point I was getting at is that with a "draft", or forced service, you lose the ability to at least attempt to weed out people with certain negative qualities, and you also find yourself trying to compell folks to fight who may not necessarily have much motivation to do so. |
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| Mar 4th, 2003 12:15 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Re: Yeah Quote:
Not that I'm 100% pro-conscription, I just see the civic merits in it. In Israel it's a part of the political culture, and you can be sure that most hih level politicians have served in a high ranking military position, perhaps have even led a battle charge or two. I find a LITTLE bit more comfort in this than, for example, having a leader who's glad to send our men and women off to die, but when his time came, he joined the coast guard, or national guard, whatever. EDIT: For as much as I dislike Ariel Sharon, if the PM in Israel held the same entitlements as our President (not sure), you can at least be sure that he would have the military record to be calle "commander-in-chief." |
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| Mar 4th, 2003 12:03 AM | ||
| GAsux |
Yeah I suppose there are lots of places that have it. Iraq is one. I saw it first hand in Turkey. Men are required to serve a year with the armed forces. It produced less than satisfactory results. It's hard to feel safe thinking that there is some 18 year old kid who was forced to serve sitting out there on the fence. The Turks would often have "accidents" whereby there weapons would mysteriously discharge, shooting themselves in the feet or legs, and thereby rendering them unable to fulfill their service obligations. Never the less, any time your talking about conscipts you're going to find a military force that is less that professional. |
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| Mar 3rd, 2003 11:18 PM | ||
| Miss Modular | Switzerland (I think) has it, too. | |
| Mar 3rd, 2003 10:53 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | I think either Sweden or Norway has it. Japan might, too. | |
| Mar 3rd, 2003 10:49 PM | ||
| GAsux |
Huh? Are you talking about cumpulsory military service? |
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| Mar 3rd, 2003 10:32 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype |
ANSWER ME, YOU WHORES! 
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| Mar 3rd, 2003 08:37 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | ok, can anybody tell me any countries that have a universal military service policy, besides israel? | |
| Mar 3rd, 2003 07:17 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype |
we know you are a nerd chimp, there is no reason to show it off
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| Mar 3rd, 2003 07:04 PM | ||
| AChimp |
Thanks for ruining a perfectly good hoplite thread, you assholes.
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| Mar 3rd, 2003 01:18 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | That doesn't appear to get to deep into "philosophy." | |
| Mar 2nd, 2003 11:33 PM | ||
| Zebra 3 |
U.S. Militia Law You can find it here. |
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 09:56 PM | ||
| GAsux |
Yeah... Capt. Obvious, I wasn't born yesterday. I'm quite sure that everyone here has at least a quarter of a brain and is well aware of the fact that the military keeps secrets, and that forth the most part it is beneign (although I'm sure there are cases in which there were sinister intentions). Regardless, military doctrine and philosophy, which are the heart of what's being discussed here are not in the realm of "secrets". Your implication that the military hides it's doctrine and historical philosophy is ridiculous, and makes me seriously doubt your credibility on the subject. |
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 09:09 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | secrets have nothing to do with the citizen soldier, therefore, im not going to use it. | |
| Mar 2nd, 2003 08:48 PM | ||
| Paul138 |
Re: Yup Quote:
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 07:35 PM | ||
| GAsux |
Yup I'm with Kev here. What you're talking about sounds like the roots of military philosophy which is far different of course from currently philosophy and doctrine. I doubt finding your neighborhood general will shed much insight into the types of things you're looking for. Paul, Please go back to Camp Moron before they realize their headmaster has escaped. From a few simple sentences, it's clear to me that you're about as qualified to make insightful comments about the military as I am about fucking super models. |
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 07:35 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | while it is true that the government keeps secrets, that has absolutely nothing to do with my topic. | |
| Mar 2nd, 2003 07:17 PM | ||
| Paul138 | Something you may want to know. The military mind always keeps it's secrets secret. That's just how they think. Take Roswell for instance. The whole thing was a govt. experiment to interpret Soviet fequencies and they kept it a secret when it failed. We all know what that led to. A report about it was released in 1997 or something. Why hide for so long for something so insignificant? Don't ask me why, that's just how they think. Great people, huh? | |
| Mar 2nd, 2003 01:59 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
You guys know this shit from all your role playing games, don't you. Well, IS, if you want "military philosophy," yet only the basis of American military philosophy, I guess you could go back to the philosophy taken by earlier administrations. The anti-Federalists, such as Jefferson, were very much AGAINST a large budget draining military. In fact, Jefferson, as well as his Secretary of the treasury Gallatin, played a big part in stripping down our Navy to cut costs. This nearly crippled James Madison as president during the War of 1812. You should try to reach Rorschach, he'd be a great help w/ this stuff.... |
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 01:43 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | while i think it is safe to say that chimp is a nerd twice over, i need to focus mainly on american soldiers. hoplites are good to draw comparisons with, but i need more meat for my paper. | |
| Mar 2nd, 2003 01:16 PM | ||
| AChimp |
Phalanxes were made up of hoplites. They were good unless you fought someone who was more mobile than you. :uberdork EDIT: There was an elite phalanx unit in Ancient Greece made up entirely of gay men sworn to fight to the death. And you know what? They did.  Hoplites also frequently marched into war only wearing a helmet, their spear and shield, and occassionally a breastplate and greaves. 
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 12:20 PM | ||
| Baalzamon | Hoplites as i know of them where the shield and spear guys that where the precursor to the greek Phalanx. Once the romans got into everything the Legion became the way to go, at least for rome anyway. | |
| Mar 2nd, 2003 02:41 AM | ||
| sadie |
hoplites 
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| Mar 2nd, 2003 01:14 AM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | youre such a dork chimp | |
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