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| Jun 9th, 2004 05:42 PM | |
| Anonymous | You guys are so anti-American that it just makes me thick. THICK! |
| Jun 9th, 2004 04:07 PM | |
| Rez |
this link is excellent: http://beautifulhorizons.typepad.com...o_the_us_.html i swear, i just feel that if you put this administrations lawyers up against a decent high school's debate team, they would get destroyed. |
| Jun 8th, 2004 06:16 PM | |
| Stabby |
Kinda cute how they were slipping that in. It starts with terrorism and 9/11 fervor. We decide that the Geneva conventions don't apply to terrorists. Then it becomes 'you're either with us or you're with the terrorists'. Then it becomes the Geneva connvention no longer applies to entire counties because they didn't answer "US" to that threat. Eventually any government or movement, or even individual, that stands in the way of the expansion of the American Empire, can be labeled a terrorist and denied any human rights. Bush is seriously so fucking cool. 
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| Jun 8th, 2004 12:58 PM | |
| Cosmo Electrolux | if that bastard gets re-elected, all is lost. |
| Jun 8th, 2004 12:33 PM | |
| glowbelly |
in the name of god and all that is right and good. anyone know any good art schools overseas? |
| Jun 8th, 2004 11:19 AM | |
| sspadowsky | This makes me physically ill. |
| Jun 8th, 2004 10:22 AM | |
| mburbank |
W, Administration , established 'legal' authority to torture I thought about posting this is the 'watch the torture scandal' widen thread, but it deserves a thread all it's own. This is so disgusting, so antiamerican it makes me want to throw up. There it is, on the table. This administration thinks torture is legal. They have established for themselves the right to torture prisoners. There's only one reason to do that. To establish grounds under which to avoid prosecution for torturing people. It's not 'bad apples', it's not 'sickening' or a 'surprise', it's policy. We, the united states, assert our legal right to torture prisoners. Your tax dollars paid the saleries of lawyers while they spent time trying to establish a legal framework for torture. Not only is this repulsive, it gives every single alleged terrorist in US custody grounds under which to make any testimony garnered from them unreliable and inadmissible. They will be able to allege torture, and the US will have no way to prove them wrong. And ask yourself this. If we went to all the trouble of establlishing a rght to torture, what do you think has been happening to people like Jose Padilla? Everything he's allegedly 'confessed' is about as reliable as an Ahmed Chalabi WMD map. Read on. Lawyers Decided Bans on Torture Didn't Bind Bush By NEIL A. LEWIS and ERIC SCHMITT Published: June 8, 2004 WASHINGTON, June 7 — A team of administration lawyers concluded in a March 2003 legal memorandum that President Bush was not bound by either an international treaty prohibiting torture or by a federal antitorture law because he had the authority as commander in chief to approve any technique needed to protect the nation's security. The memo, prepared for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, also said that any executive branch officials, including those in the military, could be immune from domestic and international prohibitions against torture for a variety of reasons. One reason, the lawyers said, would be if military personnel believed that they were acting on orders from superiors "except where the conduct goes so far as to be patently unlawful." "In order to respect the president's inherent constitutional authority to manage a military campaign," the lawyers wrote in the 56-page confidential memorandum, the prohibition against torture "must be construed as inapplicable to interrogation undertaken pursuant to his commander-in-chief authority." Senior Pentagon officials on Monday sought to minimize the significance of the March memo, one of several obtained by The New York Times, as an interim legal analysis that had no effect on revised interrogation procedures that Mr. Rumsfeld approved in April 2003 for the American military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. "The April document was about interrogation techniques and procedures," said Lawrence Di Rita, the Pentagon's chief spokesman. "It was not a legal analysis." Mr. Di Rita said the 24 interrogation procedures permitted at Guantánamo, four of which required Mr. Rumsfeld's explicit approval, did not constitute torture and were consistent with international treaties. The March memorandum, which was first reported by The Wall Street Journal on Monday, is the latest internal legal study to be disclosed that shows that after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks the administration's lawyers were set to work to find legal arguments to avoid restrictions imposed by international and American law. A Jan. 22, 2002, memorandum from the Justice Department that provided arguments to keep American officials from being charged with war crimes for the way prisoners were detained and interrogated was used extensively as a basis for the March memorandum on avoiding proscriptions against torture. The previously disclosed Justice Department memorandum concluded that administration officials were justified in asserting that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to detainees from the Afghanistan war. Another memorandum obtained by The Times indicates that most of the administration's top lawyers, with the exception of those at the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, approved of the Justice Department's position that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the war in Afghanistan. In addition, that memorandum, dated Feb. 2, 2002, noted that lawyers for the Central Intelligence Agency had asked for an explicit understanding that the administration's public pledge to abide by the spirit of the conventions did not apply to its operatives. |
