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Sep 23rd, 2004 11:33 AM

Brandon

Quote:

Originally Posted by mburbank

Here's a question. Surely one day (some think sooner than others) America's power on the world stage will begin to decline. Nothing lasts forever, after all. Do you think we'll accept that with relative grace (England) Go kicking and screaming (Germany, Japan) or get snuffed (Rome) .

Kicking and screaming. Definitely.

Sep 23rd, 2004 11:05 AM

sspadowsky

You're right about our inevitable decline, Max. And I think it may happen within my lifetime. I think that we've gotten too big to do anything but fall apart from the inside out. Barring some massive alliance of a whole bunch of countries against us, I believe that's how it'll go down.

If I sound like I'm rooting for this, it's just that I find the idea intriguing. We've become so big, so powerful, and so arrogant, that we've developed the same immortality complex that, I'm sure, was the downfall of many an empire.

Sep 23rd, 2004 10:31 AM

Zhukov

Snuffed. But in a good way.

I don't think anyone would think that the US would go out quietly.

Sep 23rd, 2004 10:11 AM

mburbank

While I plan to remain in the US (speciffically New England) unless the country truly leans toward Fascism, the appeal of a country that has never been a world power, or a country who's glory days are behind them (but not too far behind, like say Iraq) is clear.

Here's a question. Surely one day (some think sooner than others) America's power on the world stage will begin to decline. Nothing lasts forever, after all. Do you think we'll accept that with relative grace (England) Go kicking and screaming (Germany, Japan) or get snuffed (Rome) .

Sep 22nd, 2004 04:55 PM

sspadowsky

Plan A: Kerry wins, I stick around a while to see if and how things shape up. If the outlook is good, I stay.

Plan B: Bush wins, I stick around long enough to see if Max is right, and the Bush admin undergoes a Nixon-like implosion. If the outlook is good, I stay.

If not, I sell all my shit and find another country.

Sep 22nd, 2004 04:48 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by Preechr

Sorry, but Nader is not even running for President. Yes, the Rasmussen poll I was talking about before turned out to be flawed, but I'm gonna stick to my guns on Badnarik being the ONLY anti-war ACTUAL candidate. Polls that give credence to Nader's campaign only reflect the ignorance of the voters to reality and won't be reflected in a massive number of write-in votes for the guy on Nov 2.

You really need to clarify all of this. You should ask the Wisconsin Democratic party if Nader is running. Or maybe the Florida one, or the Pennsylvania one, or the Michigan one, and on and on.....

And I don't particularly care how many ballots Badnarik is on. It never amounts to much.....

Sep 22nd, 2004 12:28 PM

Preechr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhukov

I know how you feel about the whole "living in a Plan B" thing Preechr, but do you have a Plan A?

I haven't really got a good Plan A.

Not a realistic one, I suppose. Like you, my ideal future would involve some sort of revolution or major catastrophe. I try not to think about it too much, as doing so just makes me bitchy.

Sep 22nd, 2004 12:26 PM

conus

I don't really have a plan, but recent events have prompted me to renew my passport, which lapsed a couple of years ago.

Sep 22nd, 2004 12:25 PM

Preechr

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

nader is anti-war, and he is polling higher than Badnarik.

Haha... while it's true that polls can say anything, don't you have to discount something for respondents that are too dumb to realize the guy they "support" has a 92% chance of not even being on the ballot in their state?

Sorry, but Nader is not even running for President. Yes, the Rasmussen poll I was talking about before turned out to be flawed, but I'm gonna stick to my guns on Badnarik being the ONLY anti-war ACTUAL candidate. Polls that give credence to Nader's campaign only reflect the ignorance of the voters to reality and won't be reflected in a massive number of write-in votes for the guy on Nov 2.

Sep 22nd, 2004 11:55 AM

Zhukov

I know how you feel about the whole "living in a Plan B" thing Preechr, but do you have a Plan A?

I haven't really got a good Plan A.

Sep 22nd, 2004 11:41 AM

Cosmo Electrolux

Quote:

Originally Posted by AChimp

Fine, no sex. But you can't live with me unless you spoon with me.

well...okay, but no tongues!

Sep 22nd, 2004 11:37 AM

mburbank

This thread has two points. One is to taunt Naldo, as his sureness that Bush will win and unwillingness to even consider the possability of a world in which that doesn't happen reminds me of this administration to even concider a world where everything about Iraq didn't turn out as they predicted. I think the complete lack of any sort of plan B ever about anything is the deffining trate of the Rabid Noe Con, and the consequences are devestating. So I mock it in Ronnie. As you can see he has no response.

But, I am also curious as to how all of us, regardless of our political bent will react if the candidate we want does not win. In that respect, this thread hs been illuminating.

Sep 22nd, 2004 10:13 AM

KevinTheOmnivore

nader is anti-war, and he is polling higher than Badnarik.

Sep 21st, 2004 09:54 PM

Preechr

OR VOTE BADNARIK!!!

THE ONLY ANTI-WAR CANDIDATE!!!

Sep 21st, 2004 09:40 PM

Stabby

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Originally Posted by MRogers

First let me just say that I'm undecided on who I'll be voting for this fall, so I don't exactly have an official "Plan B." Either way, here are my thoughts on both candidates.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get how people can still be undecided at this point to who they'll vote for and I'm slightly worried about what would be neccesary to change an undecided voter right now. I keep hearing how "Kerry isn't that different from Bush" and yes, i get it from the stance that Democrats and Republicans aren't ALL that different and it's not as drastic as a Socialist against a Republican but these two men both have VERY different views on the issues. One favors corporate polluters rights and expensive drugs and cut backs on scientific research and gigantic tax cuts for the wealthy and lax education reform. You really have to look at them both and try to imagine how the world will look after four years of their leadership. Do you want a president who insists that the economy is strong despite high unemployment rates and one who insists that Iraq is going well and getting better and that we are currently safer as a country despite intelligence from his own administration telling him different? And I think people who believe that Kerry is somehow just going to "lay down" on the issue of terrorism or U.S. saftey is insane. And if that is your belief, or if you think that there isn't much difference between Bush and Kerry than I think you haven't really been paying attention. You could think Bush has a BETTER approach to the problem, I would argue different but I think you need to actually understand how both view the issue, not just go "Bush is for our safety and Kerry isn't" because I think that is a terrible fallacy. In all the presidential elections I've seen in my life I think this is one where the difference between the two is huge.

Whoever wins though is going to have to face a huge mess that may take more than a decade to fix, both overseas and at home. I think an important question is wheter you want to go with the party that dug hole (either intentionally or unknowingly is debatable) or put in new party that at least will admit that the hole is there.

Sep 21st, 2004 09:37 PM

Miss Modular

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The only thing that could actually crush neoconservatism would be a Bush victory, and I really do think that 4 more years would cause it too implode beyond repair. Unfortunately, it will use up a whole lot of innocent lives and more money than America wil make in a generation before it does so.

If W gets a second term, I have a feeling Dick Cheney will die in office. Then that's when things would really implode.

Sep 21st, 2004 09:30 PM

Preechr

I'M NOT A WHORE, DAMMIT!

SHOW ME SOME RESPECT!!!

Sep 21st, 2004 09:23 PM

AChimp

I only have two sides, honey. You'll have to wait until tomorrow night.

Sep 21st, 2004 09:16 PM

Preechr

Hopefully, one day, we'll get enough good, honest judges on the Supreme Court to ban awful, gay innuendo like that. Those damn Democrats are blocking any new appointments and were stuck with these damn activist judges that are too wrapped up in getting homosexual innuendo good and STARTED instead of finally getting it STOPPED... like better activist judges would surely do.

Sep 21st, 2004 08:41 PM

AChimp

Fine, no sex. But you can't live with me unless you spoon with me.

Sep 21st, 2004 08:31 PM

Cosmo Electrolux

Quote:

Originally Posted by AChimp

My Plan B is to move to Canada.

I'm moving in with Chimp....but no sex

Sep 21st, 2004 08:16 PM

ziggytrix

MORE AMERICAN JOBS GOING OVERSEAS!

Sep 21st, 2004 08:02 PM

Anonymous

Yeah, my plan B is to emigrate, though what with starting a business I don't know how feasible that option is.

Sep 21st, 2004 07:31 PM

ziggytrix

An American is smart; Americans are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.

Sep 21st, 2004 07:24 PM

Sethomas

I hate responding to these threads, but the MRogers guy said something that made my head hurt. Nothing about Bush's policy thwarts terrorism any more than the democrats' agenda would, and historically he's proven by his actions that terrorism is not the priority he claims it is. If the American people honestly think that engaging in one of history's most unpopular wars and pissing off the entire Arab world will STIFLE terrorism rather than throw gasoline on the fire, then the American people are fucking retarded.

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