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| Oct 19th, 2004 04:55 PM | ||
| mburbank |
PJ Ororke is funny. And while he often sacrafices humor to party loyalty, I have seen Bob Dole be funny, and the same can be said of Alan Simpson. On the whole though, conservatives seem to be more loathe to make fun of themselves and more commited to agenda over humor. Witness what's become of Dennis Miller, who before becoming determindly right wing was often funny and now... well, isn't. Liberals had no fun of making fun of Clinton for having his weiner waxed. Conservatives are frightened of mking fun of W for at very least appearing to be stupid. |
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| Oct 19th, 2004 04:03 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
Two points: Point One: As Stewart lampoons the media on his show, I believe it would be disengenuous and the height of hypocrisy for him to come onto a show such as Crossfire and suck up to the hosts. He wasn't changing colors, really. He was just being honest to the theme of his show and the hosts of Crossfire didn't expect that. Boo freakin' hoo! Point Two: I thought that it was unfair for the hosts to infer that Stewart was soft balling his guest when they do the same thing. If the prospective guests thought that they were going to be evicerated on the air, they would never agree to appear on ANY show. What they want is exposure and they want exposure in the best possible light on ANY show ... and ... NO GUEST, NO SHOW. That being said, I thought that it was unfair for Stewart to hold Crossfire up to a higher code of integrity than he does on his own show. If they attacked every guest in the way that Stewart suggests, then they'd never have another guest and wouldn't be able to stay in business. It's a comprimise that will always exist if you expect to have high-caliber guests on your show ... no getting around it, really. |
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| Oct 19th, 2004 12:51 PM | ||
| Zebra 3 |
Quote:
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| Oct 19th, 2004 10:25 AM | ||
| ziggytrix | He went on their show and made a joke out of it. Clearly, Stewart won. | |
| Oct 19th, 2004 09:49 AM | ||
| mburbank |
Pern; your points about the score not changing and crossfire fans not getting any slap that didn't come from the hand of God are both well taken. But, humor is subjective, and I thought he was effective and funny. I never really thought of it in terms of it mattering. I just enjoyed it and thought he did a good job. I can't imagine anything happening on Crossfire short of murder or nudity that would change anything. |
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| Oct 19th, 2004 02:11 AM | ||
| Ricky Glue | This truly made me believe and reaffirm the fact that I'm voting Stewart/Foley in 2008! | |
| Oct 19th, 2004 12:17 AM | ||
| Anonymous |
Sorry about all the double-posting, y'alls. I remember an old dilbert strip making fun of Crossfire, too, where dogbert prepares ratbert for the show by beating him senseless with a newspaper. That's about the extent of my experience with the program. |
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| Oct 19th, 2004 12:16 AM | ||
| Anonymous |
Haha. It just seemed like what he said - he wanted to come on their show and tell them that it sucked and was part of the problem with the media. Afterwards he kinda got disinterested in participating. |
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| Oct 19th, 2004 12:03 AM | ||
| Brandon | I'm just glad somebody finally told Carlson and Begala -- on air and to their faces -- that their show is truly godawful. It was a long time coming. | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 11:59 PM | ||
| Anonymous |
Yep, just found a bittorrent at http://www.boingboing.net/2004/10/15...s_crossfi.html and even got 400 k/s download rate. Gonna go check dis out NOWS :o |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 11:54 PM | ||
| ScruU2wice |
I couldn't get it to work so I just googled it and picked one that wouldn't crash my browser. It seemed like all the stumbling was Jon's style. I mean it's not as smooth as when he's got his monologue thing going but like when he's asking guests questions. It seemed pretty convincing to me. meh. |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 11:25 PM | ||
| Anonymous | I keep getting 'the item you selected is not available for [any player you try]' | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 11:14 PM | ||
| Preechr |
YEAH, JUST ASK THE PRESIDENT!! HE KNOWS!! |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 11:12 PM | ||
| El Blanco |
Oh, that. Let's see you make your point on the first try with two people hollering at you. Performance is a little easier when its scripted. |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 10:03 PM | ||
| Perndog | I'm sorry, I must have been confusing weak delivery with a cultivated style of weak-sounding delivery. He sure doesn't sound like that on the Daily Show. And to be certain, most of the right words came out eventually, but if he is *intentionally* including all that verbal garbage - "I, uh, buh, I'm trying, I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say that..." I still can't give him credit for sounding any good doing it. | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 09:34 PM | ||
| El Blanco |
Stewart wasn't stumbling. That was just his method of delivery. Its like the middle ground between Kevin Neelan's Subliminal Man and Norm MacDonald anchoring Weekend Update. He came off pretty good (although I'm probably biased in that thats the most time I've ever spent watching Crossfire). I got his point about the media not raking the candidates over the coals enough. I don't mean to intentionally entrap them to make them look bad, but to come in with the important questions and force the politicians to answer. |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 09:10 PM | ||
| Ant10708 | I thought Stewart did a good job making the hosts look like idiots. | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 09:09 PM | ||
| Perndog |
One hundred, a few hundred...yeah, I don't have your experience, Max, but I do perform for a living. He could have handled himself better. Of course, I think the appearance was ineffective as a political statement no matter what. The only people who took Crossfire seriously to begin with are the sort who aren't about to be turned around or enlightened by anything short of the Hand of God smacking them upside the heads. This appearance provided entertainment. We know he made the hosts incredibly uncomfortable on national TV. I think he made a fool of himself in the meantime. Crossfire fans think the hosts smacked him down. Everyone wins. But the score is the same as it was before this round started. |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 08:54 PM | ||
| mburbank |
I thought he made his point. I thought he gave them rope and then they both hung themselves. "Spin... al-lee? What earth man mean by this... spin... al-lee?" If either of them had said "Yeah, you know, what your saying is true, but that's what we have to do to counter the other side, and this is what television is, it IS theater, you of all people should know that." Then maybe they'd have had a conversation about the role of the press. But they are too tied up in bullshit to even recognize the issue. "What? Pro wrestling? I don't see the analogy." And them trying to say "the daily show" is no better! First of all, it IS better at getting to certain truths than they are, and second, the daily show doesn't make any claim to being anything beyond funny. They might as well be saying "Well, don't get so mad, we're a comedy show too!" which is closer to the truth than anything ever said on Crossfire. Plus, mad as he might have been (if he was) I thought Stewart managed to be funny as well, and if I may pull rank, as someone who's actually been on stage a few hundred times, I promise you, he did damn well. He made a point, he thwarted their expectations, and by thwarting their expectations he underlined his point. The so called 'news' media has utterly abandoned it's post, much as congress has. It isn't the frist time, it sure won't be the last, but it's sad news a comedian is the only one in any position to say so. |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 08:54 PM | ||
| Miss Modular |
That was great. I  Jon. It's just too bad Robert Novak wasn't on the show. Not that Tucker Carlson isn't enough of a douchebag of Liberty. With that being said, I find Paul Begala pretty rude, too. |
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| Oct 18th, 2004 08:12 PM | ||
| Perndog | If he can't handle confrontation he's better off getting his points across somewhere other than a show that's about confrontation hosted by the people that he's attacking. | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 08:09 PM | ||
| Preechr | I don't see Stewart as a guy that's very comfortable or familiar with confrontation. Maybe he had a point he felt was valid, but wasn't prepared as well as they were to slap somebody upside the head with a contrary opinion... | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 08:04 PM | ||
| Perndog | Silly man. You'd think he would have prepared himself to speak articulately without stumbling over himself constantly and letting the hosts get him pissed off. It's their show. Did he expect them to play nicer? | |
| Oct 18th, 2004 07:59 PM | ||
| Crying Baby Jesus |
I miss 5 Questions
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| Oct 18th, 2004 07:55 PM | ||
| El Blanco |
As far left as I think the Daily Show has been leaning, I still love Stewart, and this merely reaffirmed that. I totally agree with what he was saying about political debate shows. Its not about find ing a solution, its about showing up the other team. Its all cheerleading. And yes, even though he didn't ask Kerry any real hard questions, ITS STILL A COMEDY SHOW! Its no issue if he decides to throw some softball questions to the guy he wants to win. Crossfire should be holding themselves to a higher standard. And I want a TV show. If nothing else, than to prove it actually is possible to have a conservative point of view and a sense of humor. |
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