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Mar 5th, 2005 11:41 AM

Zhukov

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Originally Posted by kellychaos

Hell, I even taped the rock music for them.

That's a real tear jerker. :/

Kelly, what years where you in Korea?

Mar 5th, 2005 09:48 AM

davinxtk

I'll sell tickets.

Mar 5th, 2005 04:46 AM

Zhukov

OMG I want to talk to vince about communism. That's pretty much my life goal, now.

Mar 2nd, 2005 01:39 PM

davinxtk

Vince said something about us working with the evil communists in WWII.

Go fucking figure?

Mar 1st, 2005 10:30 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by kellychaos

Well, since we were largely isolationist prior to WWI, how did they so quickly become a threat in our eyes and through who's influence? That's kind of why I threw in the connections to some labor unions. Were they considered a threat to corporate America? They, corporate Americans, do pull some military strings.

The Republican Party viewed the New Deal-era version of organized labor as an increasingly subversive one, and as early as FDR/Dewey in '44, there were at least whispers of Communism, liberalism, and labor working together to "subvert" the contitution. Most on the Right thought he was far too soft on Communism. By '48, strikes were rampant, and I think labor took on a pretty bad image.

Um, I forgot why we we're talking about Communism.....

Mar 1st, 2005 05:24 PM

kellychaos

Vinth

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Well, we did send troops in an attempt to reverse the results of the Bolshevik revolution, so how do you think the relationship was?

Mar 1st, 2005 05:23 PM

kellychaos

Oops! :/

Mar 1st, 2005 11:18 AM

mburbank

I WORK WITH THE FUTURE, HU-MAN!! I'm going to assume that means he's in some sort of technology related field. Or maybe he's working in, like, timetravel or something. I'm going to guess he means my Museum work when he says I "Show off the past".

Hey! Vinth! I work at a SCIENCE Museum. Some of our exhibits are about the past. Like... say... the Dinosaur area. But a good deal of our exhibit space and more than half of our programming is about where science is now and where it's going next. I'm working on a project right now about using nanotechnology to harness the electricity generated by photosynthesis. TOP THE FUTUREOCITY OF THAT, FUTURE BOY!

Vinth, when the weekend roles around again and you're allowed to log on to a computer, I'm dying to know just how you are working 'with the future'. maybe it's the future of words, because as they stand now, you can't work with the future. But if your too cowardly to give us any details, or if your appendixth thtarth acting up, I'll understand.

Feb 28th, 2005 09:49 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Get over the fact that I work with the future and you show off the past.

Vince works with these cRaZy new turing machine devices I've been hearing about!

IN THE YEAR 2000! IN THE YEAR 2000!

Feb 28th, 2005 09:43 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

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Originally Posted by kellychaos

Just what was the United States' relationship and/or stance toward the U.S.S.R. prior to WWII? I mean, I know that there were some communist organizations making in-roads with american trade labor unions but it doesn't sound anywhere near the post-WWII era paranoia. Were they considered a threat to us? I'm a little vague on this part of history.

Well, we did send troops in an attempt to reverse the results of the Bolshevik revolution, so how do you think the relationship was?

To my recollection, and I may certainly be off, average American sentiment towards the Russians wasn't great. I recall FDR reverting to a p.r. propaganda campaign leading up to the war, presenting them as our buddies in the East, fighting Fascism and the good fight, etc.

Feb 28th, 2005 07:41 PM

thebiggameover

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Originally Posted by davinxtk

\
someone call me a hippy or a fag or both really quick just to get it over with

fag hippy....
:/

Feb 28th, 2005 06:22 PM

kellychaos

When I was a soldier in Pusan, South Korea, my friends and I met some Russian sailors who shared their vodka under the table in a brothel bar. Only a couple of the officers spoke English and, even then, very brokenly. Technically, we shouldn't have spoken to them at all especially in the comprimised state of drunkeness. It was all pretty harmless as we stayed well clear of any military talk. They asked us a lot of questions about rock bands and such. They were very nice and asked us to buy blue jeans for them on post and wanted to know if we would tape some "american-style" rock and roll. We were going to scam them as their was no way they could come on post and plus they probably had to leave in a couple of days anyway. We did not ... partly because we wanted to go to the same bar the next day and partly because they were genuinely nice guys who didn't seem like "the enemy" As I was not too much of a world traveler, this acquaintence brought out an epiphany in me ... sort of a "they could just as easily be me" kind of thing ... Hell, I even taped the rock music for them.

Feb 28th, 2005 06:02 PM

davinxtk

Damnit, Kelly, I had chosen to totally ignore that little blurb of Vinthian wisdom, but now I really feel the need to pay him a tiny rant.

Let's deconstruct the entire post while we're at it, because whenever I wake up and find myself in a school (which is happening more frequently) I think I should be doing a little critical thinking.

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I love the logic that just because something bad happens due to American's involvement it automatically means we can't dislike/discredit/do anything about it.

Alright, to begin with, that's not what anybody said. Wait, strike that. That's 100% exactly what we said, but you're too confused to have noticed. Let me explain: Often times when something bad happens due to America's involvement in the politics of other countries, it is fed to the masses that the opposing country simply "hates America" and that we need to "do something about it." What we don't do often enough is take a look at ourselves, try and find concrete motivation behind another's actions, and fix the problem with diplomacy. The problem we're seeing, Vince, is that anyone who dislikes what America has done, discredits the people who are engaging in it, and tries to do anything about it (see, I used your words, this should be really easy for you to understand) they are called unpatriotic, or sympathizers, or anti-American. Does this make sense? And don't get defensive with me, because it won't help. Take a critical look at this country and try and say that we've always done right; that the only answer to these problems has to be that other countries "hate America" because we have "freedom." And think about how fucking absurd those statements are.

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The real world is all about taking sides and defeating threats. Sometimes you have to team with evil to fight and defeat a greater evil. I'm suprised you don't bring up that we fought with the Communists in WWII.

Now, I have to thank you for handing me another juicy subject, and a clearly defined example to use in conversation.
The idea that the real world is all about taking sides and defeating threats is, as ziggy said, the mentality that has brought power to world leaders throughout human history. The difference we need to see now, however, is that with a world small enough to be devastated by only a handful of our most powerful weapons, we need to work together. The mentality of "us vs. them" needs to be worked out of global politics. I'm going to let that simmer while we talk about the red scare for a minute.
In WWII, without going into the various political and economical reasons it took us so long to get involved, we faught a common enemy with the USSR. Almost immediately afterwards, however, our governing and economic constructs became terribly afraid of what communism might mean, and did their best to villify the followers of Marx. Instead of focusing on the oppressive regimes that did exist in the post-WWII Sovet Union, we turned it again into an ideological war. We (and in fact much of the rest of the world) stopped trading with them entirely. As a result, their economy collapsed from the inside out over the course of a few decades.
Now, that "us vs. them" thing should be ready for our recipe.
If we hadn't brought the "us vs. them" mentality into our relations with the USSR, do you think it would have collapsed as quickly as it did? Or even at all?
If we had, instead of engaging in the cold war, engaged in peaceful supply and labor trades, in humanitarian efforts abroad instead of espionage, do you think we'd be dealing with the children of the cold war today?

You don't even have to respond to any of this, I just want you to think about it. If you want to reply, reply in a respectful manner. I'm not trying to start your umpteenth flame war, as amused as I am by Max; what I am trying to do is break down the "us vs. them" mentality in my own mind, and talk to you not as a political opponent but as a human being.
Because that's what we all need to see the world as. A collection of humans. People aren't their ideologies, they're not simply friends or enemies. They have goals, and the more we all work together the better the world is going to be.

someone call me a hippy or a fag or both really quick just to get it over with

Feb 28th, 2005 05:14 PM

kellychaos

Feb 28th, 2005 03:34 PM

Immortal Goat

Not to mention it would upset his delicate appendix again.

Feb 28th, 2005 12:33 PM

mburbank

It sounds to me as if you are saying Jesus was a pussy. Now if there were someone out there who was sincerely religous, say a catholic, but with a warrior code of honor, say like a samurai, and the cognative spark of a gerbil with head trauma, say a fella who didn't realize that pairing those two things is the sort of oxymoronic imbecillity that brought us the Spanish Inquisition...

Well, calling the Jeeze Meister a pussy might make him so mad he'd ... go on an eating binge and get too big for his submarine suit or something.

Feb 28th, 2005 12:22 PM

ziggytrix

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Originally Posted by Helm

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The real world is all about taking sides and defeating threats.

Do you honestly believe that? I mean, I really can't wrap my head around anyone saying this and meaning it.

Really? It's a driving force behind the human psyche. That EXTREMELY common mentality is what has allowed almost every leader ever to have their power. It's sad, but it's part of being human.

There have been a few great teachers who have said we should think and behave otherwise. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and Jesus are all good examples but not one of those three died of natural causes, so what does that tell you about the human reaction to peacemakers?

Feb 28th, 2005 11:18 AM

mburbank

I'm SO pleased I got a rise out of you. I must have caught you while you were still at the internet cafe. And it was a Three-fer! One thing though, what's the difference between 'absolute' and 'utter' in the context of your pity for me. 'Cause I know a word smith of your potency wasn't just being redundant for the sake of sounding all flowery and girlish.

Also, my hair is as thick, manageable and lustrous now as it has ever been, thank you very much. How is your pants size, chubby?

Feb 27th, 2005 10:38 PM

Jeanette X

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Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Before you waste anymore bandwith trying to insult or get a rise out of me, go buy a mirror. Stare into it. Then work on getting rid of that pork-fat stomach, those saggy bitch tits, that receding hair line.

This from the fellow who won't post his own picture...

Feb 27th, 2005 08:05 PM

VinceZeb

Max, your obession with me is pitiful. Before you waste anymore bandwith trying to insult or get a rise out of me, go buy a mirror. Stare into it. Then work on getting rid of that pork-fat stomach, those saggy bitch tits, that receding hair line. Get over the fact that I work with the future and you show off the past. Learn to make friends that don't consist of other social outcats and losers that hang out on a second rate message board for a second rate humor site.

I feel absolute and utter pity for you. I just pray that you don't do yourself in Hunter S. Thompson style.

Feb 27th, 2005 07:23 PM

mburbank

I love the logic that once a month or so you can afford computer time at an internet cafe to drop a gob of Vinth thpit on the boards while never describing your horrible fall from grace.

What happened to the Vinth I knew, The submarine commanin', chem bio unitin' feintin' out from a disease which he can;t remeber the name of blood an guts Vinth who once told us everything he knew about the real world, all the way from defending himself with weapons secretly one time to how he'd be right there on the front lines killin' and maimin' if only the army woulda taken him? Where's the underwater hand job action, where are the hot li'l latino chicks, where are the THPETHIFICS?!

What HAPPENED to you Vinth? Fess up. Something bad went down that took the wind out of your sails and got you off the computer. My guess if you don't have one of your own right now, or can't afford cable. You're out of a job and you don't want to admit the Bush economy finally caught up with you. You got fat again, didn't you? Or maybe they won't let you on the internet during your all day outpatient treatments.

Come on, Vinth. Don't be such a lilly livered PUTHY. Tell us what happened after you chickened out of meeting up with Sspad and went into E-hiding.

Feb 27th, 2005 07:20 PM

Helm

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The real world is all about taking sides and defeating threats.

Do you honestly believe that? I mean, I really can't wrap my head around anyone saying this and meaning it. I am not trying to insult you, I just... this is a very simple worldview, that does not allow for the infinitesimal shades of meaning and purpose, that define any kind of interactive relationship. The correlations that in fact, paint the relative picture of micropolitics, geopolitical balance of power, even down to the relationship you and your dad, say, have. When your dad asks something from you that you're not prepared to do, do you go "DAD. YOU'RE EITHER ON MY SIDE, OR YOU'RE A THREAT AND I HAVE TO DEFEAT YOU. WITH THIS PITCHFORK." ? Does coming to terms with people fit in in your "real world" ? Civil discussion over a dispute, where not everybody cares about hammering his point in, but about reaching a mediative solution that will serve all parties, somewhat?

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Sometimes you have to team with evil to fight and defeat a greater evil.

DOCTOR DOOM APPROVES!

or something, I mean, you make me sad enough to not really stand behind my jokes.

Feb 27th, 2005 06:57 PM

VinceZeb

I love the logic that just because something bad happens due to American's involvement it automatically means we can't dislike/discredit/do anything about it. The real world is all about taking sides and defeating threats. Sometimes you have to team with evil to fight and defeat a greater evil. I'm suprised you don't bring up that we fought with the Communists in WWII.

Feb 27th, 2005 07:43 AM

Zhukov

You should have asked him who the dictator of Iran was, and how he came to be.

Feb 27th, 2005 02:53 AM

Marine

ya don´

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