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Mar 31st, 2003 05:27 PM

mburbank

See, now, that was some comedy right there, how he did that.

Mar 30th, 2003 10:36 PM

Miss Modular

Protoclown made me

Mar 30th, 2003 10:13 PM

Protoclown

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Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Wow, nice comeback. Take your act on the road, please. In the middle of rush hour traffic.

I learned it by watching YOU, alright!!!

I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!!

:drugcommercial

Mar 30th, 2003 08:36 PM

Jeanette X

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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach

As for Jen. . . I treat her the same way I treated Italian when he first got here. He was lit into by both Kevin and I for his initial posts. Its the way I treated Heather Michelle, KellyChaos and Zeb. I always fancied myself fairly consistant. Hazing is how you see what new people are made of, and I do believe, calling her an idiot is somewhat less insulting than my calling Zeb a whiny, well worn cunt.

So it isn't just me then.
And I thought we had something special. *pout*

Mar 30th, 2003 06:37 PM

VinceZeb

Wow, nice comeback. Take your act on the road, please. In the middle of rush hour traffic.

Mar 30th, 2003 06:36 PM

Protoclown

Just as I thought. Rather than seriously respond to anything we say, you just attack us personally.

OH, THE FUCKING IRONY OF IT ALL! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I AM MOCKING YOU? I WILL BET THAT YOU DO NOT!

Mar 30th, 2003 06:22 PM

AChimp

I knew you'd say that. The bit about moose fucking, I mean. You seem like the kind of guy who knows a lot about that.

Mar 30th, 2003 06:15 PM

VinceZeb

Rorschach, that is nice. You are just so consistent and important. Go lord over your Star Wars action figure collection, to find someone that cares about your consistency.

AChimp, I would completely respect you and your brother's opinon if I were talking about eating maple syrup, saying 'eh' after sentence, Mountie training or moose fucking. Until then, go back to being a poorly educated and imformed citizen of the USA's little brother.

Mar 30th, 2003 04:56 PM

AChimp

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It only shows what was said, not others reactions, because their reactions are not important as per offical record keeping.

Vinnie, the transcript says "applause" several times, and the last time that I checked, an applause is a reaction.

Besides, if you tell a story that you heard someone say, that is called a secondary source, and isn't given very much credence in many circles. It's kinda like that game of Telephone that we all played in kindergarten where the first kid says "peanut butter" and the message turns into "penis" after 30 kids.

Sorry, but if you're going to start relating stories that you heard from Uncle Frank as you were all drunk and talking about how much sex you have, I'm just going to have to laugh in your face each time.

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My statements I make have sources. That is credibility.

I showed this thread to my brother. He says that, since he is an expert in dumbassedness, that you are also a dumbass. Therefore, by going on his authority, I can credibly say that you are a dumbass that knows nothing.

Mar 30th, 2003 04:53 PM

The_Rorschach

Zeb, you are a boob. I can't believe I actually defended a quote, totally contrived might I add, merely because I trusted you to post something vaguely remiscient on the truth.

As for Jen. . . I treat her the same way I treated Italian when he first got here. He was lit into by both Kevin and I for his initial posts. Its the way I treated Heather Michelle, KellyChaos and Zeb. I always fancied myself fairly consistant. Hazing is how you see what new people are made of, and I do believe, calling her an idiot is somewhat less insulting than my calling Zeb a whiny, well worn cunt.

Mar 30th, 2003 04:42 PM

Protoclown

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

My statements I make have sources. That is credibility.

SORRY TO INFORM YOU VINCE, BUT I DO NOT THINK YOUR ASS COUNTS AS A PROPER SOURCE.

Mar 30th, 2003 04:29 PM

VinceZeb

I took the quote that I posted from what was (supposedly) and eyewitness account. I knew what was said before hand. I didn't type that first comment out in the first place, just a c & p. And why would the offical transcript of what he said say *Crowd drops into eerie silence* on it? It only shows what was said, not others reactions, because their reactions are not important as per offical record keeping.

Besides, if you tell a story about something you heard someone say, do you tell them the 20 minute word for word version or the 1 minute summary of what was most important.

My statements I make have sources. That is credibility.

Mar 30th, 2003 02:02 PM

AChimp

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Originally Posted by The actual article

We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works.

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Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return

And you expect us to treat you with any credibility? You took Powell's remarks completely out of context.

The Archbishop also didn't mention anything about "empire building," but instead asked about whether or not the U.S. would rely on being friendly rather than sabre-rattling in the future.

There's also no mention of the room going silent, except maybe out of the general social norm that you don't talk while someone else is talking.

Mar 30th, 2003 01:28 PM

VinceZeb

Be weary no longer: http://www.weforum.org/site/homepubl...etary+of+State

I trust you can read away by yourself. And the address was given to the former AB of C, not the current Ultra-lib one.

Mar 30th, 2003 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Protoclown

Oh, and can we PLEASE get back to the story that VinceZeb started???

Yeah really! I want to know what happens next.

Mar 30th, 2003 01:18 PM

Jeanette X

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protoclown

Rorshach, I don't know what Jeanette ever said or did to offend you so badly, but I have never seen any posts from her deserving the kind of venom you spew in her direction in response. I respect that you disagree with her but I have seen you consistently attacking her intelligence over the things she has said, most of which I have found reasonable additions to the conversation whether I agreed with them or not. What the hell has gotten into your panties, man??

Thank you Proto. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Mar 30th, 2003 01:13 PM

Protoclown

Rorshach, I don't know what Jeanette ever said or did to offend you so badly, but I have never seen any posts from her deserving the kind of venom you spew in her direction in response. She is perfectly capable of holding her own in here, quite a bit more than several others who hang around in the political forum (quite possibly myself included)...I respect that you disagree with her but I have seen you consistently attacking her intelligence over the things she has said, most of which I have found reasonable additions to the conversation whether I agreed with them or not. What the hell has gotten into your panties, man??

Oh, and can we PLEASE get back to the story that VinceZeb started???

Mar 30th, 2003 11:15 AM

AChimp

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And what wars were these, pray tell? Notice I didn't mention the World War 1 or 2, or any war which the US was bound to serve due to treaty or agreement. I can almost guarantee any wars you mention involving those three will.

Ror, you should really see a doctor about all that red, white and blue that you are seeing. The view from inside your ass should only be red.

Canada fought in Korea, too. Australia and New Zealand had troops in Vietnam.

Now, as for Powell's statements, I hardly see their relevance in today's world. There's about 30 dead American soldiers as of right now, but are you honestly going to bury them in Iraq after you've "liberated" the Iraqis? Not unless you want their graves pissed on.

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single war in the last 20 years where you haven't shipped your dead back the the U.S. in flag-draped pine boxes. My guess is that the liberated haven't been as grateful as you thought they should be.

This thread has been completely ruined now. I want story time again.

Mar 30th, 2003 09:04 AM

mburbank

Woah! Jump back, Shach!

Sue, Powell's line was, depending on what angle you shoose to view it from, correct, I think it was just as glib as anything that Jeanette said.

I also am suspicious where a source isn't given, particularly concidering that "It got very quite in the room" nonsense. This is a piece of a piece, obviously written with a desired impact in mind. Structurally it reminds me of those scenes in "Dragnet" where Joe Friday would fire off a succint, tart reply to a self righteous criminial, who would then get that "Oh, my God! He's right" expression and then look down in shame and guilt.

I think, on the whole, folks here were making fun of the staged nature of the writting, it's canned quality. I also think Powell's quote itself was highly debateable.

And I take issue with your idea that we 'stood nothing to gain' in the wars you sight. Had we won the decisive victories we hoped for, it would have put points on the cold war scoreboard. All the brush wars were a fight against Communism as a whole as we saw it at the time. Land was not the objective, but hegemony and the widening of our "Sphere of Influence" surely was. We were looking for a wee bbit more than land to bury our dead on. We were looking to choose who ran the country, who they traded with, who's proxy they became in a wider, manichean conflict. I think powells line was a deliberate simplification of America's style of proxy colonialsim meant to play for a media audince and not whomever he may have been speaking to.

Mar 30th, 2003 05:40 AM

The_Rorschach

Do you just repeat pretty words and phrases you hear mumbled more coherently by others?

For those who don't know what she is, quite incorrectly, refering to, the strawman is a form of logical fallacy by which one attempts to pretend they are responding to the views of their opponants when in actuality they are erecting an artificial argument more easily refuted. The two most common forms of this are to respond to an exaggerated view of others, or to respond only to an extreme view which does not accurately represent the argument of ones opponant.

Now, when asked if our staged conquest in Iraq was empire building - an extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations - Colin Powell responded succinctly to the question and answered negatorily. He cited past history as an example of current operating proceedures in that, this would not be like the aquisition of Costa Rica, the Philappines or Hawaii, it would be like the liberation of Japan, So Korea or the attempt made in Vietnam. Anyone with an ounce of intellegence hearing his statement would have known this momentarily. The more confused and feeble witted, like Jen, take a bit longer to reach this conclusion - providing they have the ability to even reason that far.

Mar 30th, 2003 12:11 AM

Jeanette X

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Blanco

It is as strong as anyone's claims towards empire building.

Even assuming the other side has fundamentally flawed arguements, it doesn't justify using the straw man.

Mar 29th, 2003 11:47 PM

El Blanco

It is as strong as anyone's claims towards empire building.

Mar 29th, 2003 11:35 PM

Jeanette X

Re: Good ol Mr. Colin Powell....

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.

He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

It became very quiet in the room.

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present to you, the Straw Man arguement.

Mar 29th, 2003 07:55 PM

The_Rorschach

"The Canadian anthem has been booed at and disrespected far more in the U.S. by drunk fans than any amount of Quebecers can make up for."

So this justifies things? I've attended quite a few sport events, and while I have witnessed a fight between a marine and civilian because the latter would not remove his hat during the music, I have never once seen anyone boo the anthem of any country, US or otherwise.

"As for naming the countries that fought in wars with little or nothing to gain, here they are in no particular order: Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They fought because all their allies were fighting, not because they had to."

And what wars were these, pray tell? Notice I didn't mention the World War 1 or 2, or any war which the US was bound to serve due to treaty or agreement. I can almost guarantee any wars you mention involving those three will.

Mar 29th, 2003 07:35 PM

AChimp

Thank you for ruining the thread, bozo.

The Canadian anthem has been booed at and disrespected far more in the U.S. by drunk fans than any amount of Quebecers can make up for.

As for naming the countries that fought in wars with little or nothing to gain, here they are in no particular order: Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They fought because all their allies were fighting, not because they had to.

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