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| Apr 2nd, 2003 03:43 PM | ||||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 11:07 PM | ||||
| El Blanco |
90% of the world? Um, no. Last I checked, there about 30 other nations that backed US action and others that back action, just not exactly how we are handling it. And Hussien has thumbed his nose at the rest of the world and directly killed hundreds of thousands. This is better than Bush? Bush isn't a saint. I'll admit, I didn't vote for him. But, he has done well with the situation and has done the right thing.If this doesn't fit into your agenda, tough. Don't exploit the deaths of innocents or of those you would have us believe are your commrades for your own little cries for attention. |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 10:48 PM | ||||
| ranxer |
raugh: tough call, but i'm saying that if nearly 90% of the world said that gwb committed a criminal act by starting this aggression and listed 100 reasons why not and this type of accident was listed as a reason why not, i think there's some room to hold the aggressor acountable. bush's escalation has pushed us into the realm of pre-emptive anyway :/ he's blaming hussain for all that is happening when the war started all i could think was 'i will help those holding the gwbjr administration accountable' and hold them to thier statements that we would rebuild iraq 
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| Apr 1st, 2003 09:58 PM | ||||
| El Blanco | I got a welt the size of a golf ball from paintballing last night. Ranx, can I blame it on the President? | |||
| Apr 1st, 2003 09:42 PM | ||||
| GAsux |
Yeah I think "crap" just happened in my pants actually. War sucks. |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 03:49 PM | ||||
| glowbelly |
either that or "crap happens." 
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| Apr 1st, 2003 03:47 PM | ||||
| ranxer |
i didnt imply that the soldiers were wrong.. i call it an accident like many others..as i've said before, i have faith in our troops, this war was the bush administrations decision, we knew there would be all kinds of attacks.. not how much but we knew there would be some extreemists enraged by our aggression so its no surprise.. tragic yes, intent by our soldiers to kill the wrong people.. NO Friggen way! the people in the middle and in uniform for US are doing all they can to survive being caught between two madmen: Bush and Hussain  what i meant about shots fired was shots fired anywhere.. i'm making a big assumption here that the folks in Iraq are more used to armed thugs of different factions warring such that shots fired means get the fuck away from there, thus flooring it as a gut reaction.. it was just a thought. |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 03:31 PM | ||||
| glowbelly |
glenn beck was talking about this this morning and he said "crap happens" i hate when i forget to turn him off in my car
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| Apr 1st, 2003 02:46 PM | ||||
| mburbank |
Don't be absurd. I'm quite certain that Vinnie is either busy joing the armed services or looking for his Submarine letter. Or getting a lap dance. Or working out. Or feeling breasts. |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 02:42 PM | ||||
| James |
I just saw this headline when I opened up my browser, and copied it to the board. I didn't even read past the second paragraph. :/ I was just trying to get a rise out of Vinnie (especially since, near as I can tell, they didn't do anything he's rambled on about supporting). But it seems he's grown too fat to waddle over to his computer.
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| Apr 1st, 2003 02:37 PM | ||||
| mburbank |
This is an appalling tragedy, and not only for the Iraqi woem and children. The men who killed them almost certainly already know that where the blame falls cannot erase the memory of finding the van was full of women and children. Another wonderful what would Jesus do moment for Naldo, though. "Hopefully that will be a lesson to anyone else thinking about not stopping." Honest to God, Naldo. While your thinking about the valuable lesson these dead children will provide why not add to your callousness by telling us where you think their souls are now? |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 01:57 PM | ||||
| ItalianStereotype |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 01:39 PM | ||||
| Anonymous | I agree. They asked for it. | |||
| Apr 1st, 2003 12:59 PM | ||||
| Protoclown |
As much as this whole situation sucks, those soldiers did what they had to do. I mean shit, you KNOW there are crazy suicide bombers over there, so when the soldiers motioned for the vehicle to stop and then fired SEVERAL warning shots, what are they to assume EXCEPT that it's a suicide attack? It's an unfortunate mishap, but given the context a very understandable one. Let's hope that the media OR the anti-war protesters don't latch onto this the wrong way. |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 11:32 AM | ||||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 1st, 2003 11:21 AM | ||||
| ranxer |
i can't imagine that many iraqis are used to stopping when a gun is being fired, what a mess i'd think that many drivers would floor it when someone starts shooting. i blame george bush for the accident
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| Apr 1st, 2003 11:13 AM | ||||
| kellychaos |
I don't like that this happened but speaking as a former soldier I'll make a few points. First, in this particular war, it seems that due to certain terrorist actions that these soldiers have a right to be wary of ANYBODY approaching their checkpoint. It's not like their military has given them a choice in moral judgement versus self-preservation and the safety of those that they're guarding. Secondly, as a guard you have strict orders that tell you explicitly what to do in all situations. Failure to do these things could result in not only comprimising their own life but also the lives of those within the camp and possibly the loss of resources, ordnance, intelligence, ect that the camp may contain. These aren't mall rent-a-guards. These are military members doing their duty exactly as instructed and as many Iraqi citizens have grown up in a more militarized society than most Americans they realize these realities more so than most Americans who are appalled  by their actions.
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| Apr 1st, 2003 09:36 AM | ||||
| Ronnie Raygun | Hopefully that will be a lesson to anyone else thinking about not stopping. I'd like to think that but apparently the same thing happened again today. | |||
| Mar 31st, 2003 10:07 PM | ||||
| punkgrrrlie10 |
I don't really know. If someone doesn't stop at a checkpoint, they are kind of asking for it. What else is the army supposed to do? Sucks that they died but...I can't really put myself over in Iraq to really know the entire scenario and judge. |
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| Mar 31st, 2003 09:40 PM | ||||
| AChimp |
I come here lots now because all the other forums are filled with gay shit. But anyways, I agree that the troops were just following orders, and it makes me wonder what was going on that would cause the truck to not stop. Maybe they were a Suicide Squad!
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| Mar 31st, 2003 09:36 PM | ||||
| ItalianStereotype |
its not surprising that this would happen since the truck/van/whatever refused to stop when ordered. since this suicide bomber thing happened a few days ago, troops have been ordered to fire on any vehicle that doesnt halt where it is supposed to. for someone who doesnt care about this war, you have been posting in the politics forum a lot jamesy-doo. |
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| Mar 31st, 2003 09:36 PM | ||||
| theapportioner |
USA 4 EVA Dirty sand niggas. |
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| Mar 31st, 2003 09:32 PM | ||||
| AChimp |
I love how the article segues from the dead civilians into how great the U.S. army is. 
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| Mar 31st, 2003 09:28 PM | ||||
| James |
Vinnie's Ideal Army Strikes Again http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...20030330BNC209 WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. troops killed seven Iraqi women and children at a checkpoint Monday when the Iraqis' van would not stop as ordered, U.S. Central Command said. Two other civilians were wounded at a U.S. Army checkpoint on a highway near Najaf in southern Iraq, according to a Pentagon official and a Central Command statement. The military is investigating, the statement said. The Pentagon, meanwhile, said U.S. warplanes dropped 3,000 precision-guided bombs over the weekend in an intensified air campaign aimed at weakening the Republican Guard divisions ringing Baghdad. The Pentagon also said fresh U.S. forces were heading for the Gulf region. In the checkpoint shooting, Central Command said initial reports indicated the soldiers followed the rules of engagement to protect themselves. ``In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the solders exercised considerable restraint to avoid the unnecessary loss of life,'' the statement said. The soldiers involved were from the 3rd Infantry Division, the same unit that lost four soldiers at a checkpoint near Najaf Saturday when an Iraqi soldier dressed as a civilian detonated a car bomb. The seven dead and two wounded on Monday were among 13 women and children in a van that approached the checkpoint but did not stop, according to the Central Command statement. It said soldiers motioned for the driver to stop but were ignored. The soldiers then fired warning shots, which also were ignored. They then shot into the vehicle's engine, but the van continued moving toward the checkpoint, according to the statement. Meanwhile, fresh U.S. forces are flowing to the Persian Gulf, including 500 members of an Army cavalry regiment being sent ahead of schedule to help protect U.S. supply lines from Iraqi attack. The buildup comes amid upbeat Pentagon assessments of progress against Iraq's strongest army force, the Republican Guard, which one U.S. general said Monday had suffered a ``very significant weakening'' from intensified American and British aerial bombardment. ``We know how it will end: The Iraqi regime will end,'' said Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke. ``But we know that there could be some tough fighting ahead.'' Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, vice director of operations on the Pentagon's Joint Staff, told a news conference that more than 300,000 allied forces are now in the Gulf region, about 250,000 of them American. Last Friday his boss, Gen. Richard Myers, had put the allied total at 270,000. McChrystal would not discuss specific missions of the additional forces that are en route to the Gulf or getting ready to go. They include 500 members of the Army's 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment who left their Fort Polk, La., base on Sunday. They and their Humvee scout vehicles, Kiowa reconnaissance helicopters and other equipment were sent by air, enabling them to get to Iraq quicker than if the equipment had been sent by sea as originally planned. Other members of the 2nd Armored Cavalry are to go by sea. Iraqi paramilitary forces have launched hit-and-run attacks on supply lines between Kuwait and central Iraq, forcing U.S. commanders to devote more combat resources to protecting those lines. The Army also is sending the 4th Infantry Division, its showpiece armored force, to Iraq. Members of the Fort Hood, Texas-based division began flying to Kuwait late last week. They originally were to deploy to Turkey to open a northern front against Baghdad, but Turkey refused access. The first of about three dozen ships carrying the 4th Infantry's equipment arrived in Kuwait on Sunday, and the rest are expected to get there by mid-April. That would appear to make it unlikely the division will be ready in time to participate in a looming battle for Baghdad. The 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, based at Fort Carson, Colo., also is going. Five ships carrying its equipment from ports in Texas are now on their way to the Gulf, and two more are loading. Also scheduled to deploy, but not yet moving, is the 1st Cavalry Division from Fort Hood. The Navy also is making adjustments. It announced Monday that four F/A-18 Super Hornet aircraft from the carrier USS Nimitz in the Indian Ocean have been temporarily reassigned to the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier battle group in the Persian Gulf. The Super Hornets, which normally are used in a fighter role, will fly refueling missions, making up for what the Navy called a shortage of fuel for strike planes searching for targets over Iraq. Once the Nimitz gets into the Gulf, it is expected to relieve the Lincoln, which is overdue to return to its home station at Everett, Wash. The Navy has a total of three carriers in the Gulf and two in the eastern Mediterranean. McChrystal gave an upbeat assessment of allied forces' progress on the ground in Iraq, particularly against the Republican Guard divisions protecting the approaches to Baghdad. He said intensified airstrikes over the weekend had taken much of the fight out of them. ``We see some very significant weakening and it will hit a tipping point in some of their formations,'' he said. He said some elements of other Republican Guard units have moved to shore up the Medina Division that has been the main target of U.S. bombing. Coalition planes flew about 2,000 sorties Monday, including more than 800 strike missions, the official said. About two-thirds of those strike sorties were against Republican Guard divisions arrayed around Baghdad. 03/31/03 18:34 © Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. |
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