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| Dec 14th, 2005 11:12 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
NEWSFLASH ARROWX: Tookie is dead. Fuckin Christ man - you obviously CAN read, but somehow it all just turns to LA LA LA AHAHAHAHAH once it sits in your head for 3 seconds, DOESN'T IT? |
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| Dec 14th, 2005 11:09 PM | ||
| ArrowX | Tookie shoudl fight arnold with skins to gain his freedom....or not death. | |
| Dec 14th, 2005 11:06 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
crips mostly. by the way, what? are you stupid or just high? |
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| Dec 14th, 2005 10:30 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
So again, who were you implying might riot over Tookie? Bigot please. I know, the news said it, you just repeated it.....bwaahahah By the way, I was protected by Crips all through High School. |
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| Dec 14th, 2005 09:34 AM | ||
| ziggytrix |
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You racist. |
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| Dec 14th, 2005 04:56 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
I just turned things you said back on you Ziggy. You're the one who came to the conclusion it paints you as a racist. I didn't call you a racist, but I did call you cliche. So are you done waiting for the Purple People to riot, or do you think there's potential of unrest at the funeral? |
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| Dec 13th, 2005 09:53 AM | ||
| ziggytrix |
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there's not going to be any rioting - i was just repeating what was said on the news yesterday. but keep callin me racist. it's real funny to me the way you read all this racist crap into my words and think i'm the bigot. |
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| Dec 13th, 2005 09:02 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
I think part of the problem is that clemency requires some level of real redemption. Schwarzenegger even said in his comments on the matter, that it was hard to consider clemency while a man who was convicted of a double murder was still swearing innocence. Granted, he's entitled to claim whatever he wants, but he lost that battle. It's still a shame, and i do believe he genuinely reconsidered how destructive his previous behavior was, but damn. It's a tough call. |
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| Dec 13th, 2005 01:26 AM | ||
| sspadowsky | so what if he wrote childrens books everybody knows black people cant read am i right guys | |
| Dec 13th, 2005 12:41 AM | ||
| ItalianStereotype |
are Californians really debating whether or not to spare this man after it has been determind without a doubt that he murdered two people? and fuck! he's also carrying part of the responsibility for every individual who has suffered at the hands of the gang he helped create. this guy doesn't deserve clemency. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 09:29 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 08:18 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
so much for my looting spree.... seriously though, I find the public reaction so far to be very positive.  L.A. debates governor's decision as execution nears STREETS QUIET, MOOD SUBDUED WHERE WILLIAMS STARTED CRIPS By Patrick May Mercury News LOS ANGELES - As word spread this afternoon that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger had turned down Stanley Tookie Williams' last-ditch bid for clemency, reaction was muted on the streets where Williams launched the Crips gang 35 years ago. Some residents were saddened by the news, saying the governor had missed a golden opportunity to show true compassion hours before Williams' scheduled execution just past midnight. Others, though, felt anything but compassion for the man whose legacy in South-Central Los Angeles still seems like nothing but gang colors, bullets and blood. ``There's not a lot of anger over the governor's decision,'' said Julio Ramos, a social worker at All Peoples Christian Center in South-Central, which offers a gang-intervention program for middle-school kids. ``A lot of people feel Tookie Williams is getting what he deserved.'' John Johnson, another social worker downtown whose clients include former gang members, put it this way: ``Every time a young black male or female dies from gang violence, an intelligent person would see that the guy who started this gang to begin with should be held responsible for his actions.'' However, across town in East Los Angeles, the founder of a well-known gang-intervention program said the only thing worse than the four 1979 murders that landed Williams on Death Row was the governor's failure to prevent yet another life from being extinguished. ``There is a fate worse than death and that's the decision to execute a human being,'' said the Rev. Greg Boyle, who founded Homeboy Industries in 1988 to help at-risk youth stay out of gangs. ``This is about more than any individual's merit or worth; it's about the death penalty. No other civilized country on the planet does it. And this could have been a moment of courage for the governor, who could have simply said, `I've changed my mind. I've seen the light. Nobody will be executed as long as I'm governor.' '' Instead, said Boyle, Schwarzenegger ``missed a golden opportunity to raise this above simply talking about somebody's worth and merit. I now worry about Arnold's salvation more than Stanley's.'' The irony was obvious: Boyle has devoted his life to trying to extract young men from the gang culture that Williams helped create. And he worried about the message that the governor's decision sends to teenagers lured by the gang lifestyle. ``Homebody Industries,'' said its founder, ``stands for redemption and second chances. If you execute him, you execute that, too.'' Despite some fears that Williams' execution might set off riots in the streets where his own life had come unwound, things have been relatively quiet this afternoon in South-Central Los Angeles. As the Rev. Kerry Allison of Hope Community Church on Florence Avenue made his rounds, he sensed a sadness among residents over the news, but not anger. ``Any loss of life is and always will be disappointing, whether it's the people he killed or his own life that is being taken away,'' he said. ``But we're also very appreciative that Mr. Williams has left a legacy for children to stay away from gangs, by showing them what gangs did to his own life.'' Allison said Williams had achieved both bad and good in his life, first by creating the Crips, then by demonstrating the evils of gangs through children's books he wrote while on Death Row. ``The emphasis should be on the latter part of his life,'' the pastor said. ``He did wrong and killed people, and our hearts go out to the grieving families of his victims. But he changed his life in the end, and we can only applaud that. That is the legacy we hope endures.'' Contact Pat May at pmay@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5689. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 07:51 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
Blanco, who exactly is trying to "turn this into a numbers game"? Besides, I think the clemency bid is a little more substantial than, "Well he wrote a children's book about saying 'no' to gangs!" Actually, part of the defense is that he might not have executed the 4 people he was convicted of killing. Sometimes, when the law gets hold of someone they just KNOW is bad, they'll convict him of something just to get him off the street. It wouldn't be the first time a man was convicted of a murder and then proved innocent after his execution. However, I am not privy to any of that 'evidence' so I cannot comment on it's credibility. Really, I don't know that much about this guy. Maybe he's getting what he deserves. I think riots are pretty unlikely, really, but several news sources have thrown that word out when talking about this, I guess because 'riots' are big on the media's SEXY SEXY, BUY ME list. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 06:56 PM | ||
| El Blanco |
I'd just like to point out his children's book sold about 330 copies. Do his supporters really want to turn this into a numbers game? Because I'd say the Crips have pulled in a few more members than that over the years. Not to mention the 10.000 lives lost to gang violence in LA since he started them. While I'm no big fan of the death penalty, I am not going to advocate over turning a legal verdict because a man who executed four people (that can be proven) and started the most violent criminal force in the United States just because he wrote a children's book that almost no one outside of LA has seen. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 06:47 PM | ||
| MetalMilitia |
I saw the film 'Redemption' based on this guy and I thought it was the biggest load of bollocks I have ever seen. If he is anything like his character in the film he should most definatly fry. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 06:22 PM | ||
| Ivan Raged | wrong, zombie walk in LA. | |
| Dec 12th, 2005 05:11 PM | ||
| AChimp |
Clemency bid was terminated.  And no, I'm not tired of that joke yet. 
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| Dec 12th, 2005 03:38 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Ahem, the book title? We're on it. | |
| Dec 12th, 2005 03:34 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 03:13 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
Amusing. I say "riots in LA" and you immediately assume I'm talking about black people. I've got news for ya buddy, I don't believe you have to be black to riot, or take advantage of a riot's chaos to loot, but I'm glad I've got such a long standing advocate of racial harmony like you to keep me in check, all the same. Kevin, we can call the book, Lil' Antonio's First Four-Fife-Niner. I'll have to credit ABCD for the inspiration to make the main character bi-racial, though. That ought to knock a year or two off our sentence if we get caught. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 02:10 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | You must ruin every party. | |
| Dec 12th, 2005 02:08 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
When the Black community gets angry they steal electronics. That's a hilarious joke. I wonder if you had hit that sarcasm button you keep talking about it it would suddenly make it more original, and less cliche? I forget. |
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| Dec 12th, 2005 12:29 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Maybe we can write a childrens book about it. | |
| Dec 12th, 2005 12:07 PM | ||
| ziggytrix | You misunderstood me. I was wondering if anyone was down for a road trip to pick up some free TVs and DVD players... | |
| Dec 12th, 2005 12:02 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Re: Riots in LA tomorrow? Quote:
"Hey, ya think if i write some books for kids they won't kill me?" I'm opposed to the practice, so yes, this is shitty. Riots? I dunno. |
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