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Jan 6th, 2006 02:42 PM | |||||||||
kahljorn |
Japanese innovation: from what I understand america is pretty much entirely responsible for any innovation that comes out of japan. Not directly, but weren't we the one's who helped them rebuild and gave them a bunch of patents-- along with the tools and knowledge to manipulate them? Also, doesn't america sell them their raw materials to make everything? Maybe I have this mixed up, though. |
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Jan 6th, 2006 02:36 PM | |||||||||
kahljorn |
"the economy is in the crapper? " Did you completely ignore the part about unemployment being at it's lowest? While we're at it why don't we discuss the "National deficit" you halfwit piece of shit. I like how you ignore any decent part of someone's thread that people have been talking about for ages and pick the "weakest link" so to speak. It goes to show what kind of a moron you are, exactly. As if doing that could derail somebody's points. I'm sorry to say, but practically our entire country uses gasoline. Cost of living going up doesn't generally triple within a couple of years when you have a good economy. I don't even know why I'm going to debate this with you, it's pointless. You're obviously just stupid. You think these natural disasters are cheap? Why do you even think our economy is good with the way our government has been handling situations? Taking money out of various states and programs to fund their shitty war? THE ECONOMY MUST BE SO GREAT WE HAVE SO MUCH EXTRA MONEY WHY WE COULD ALL JUST DONATE IT TO THE GUBERMENT AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR US GOD BLESS AMERICA THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA DO WITH MY 175 DOLLAR CHECK GIVE IT TO THE GUBERMENT THEY ARE SO PSYCHIC THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND TOOK IT FROM ALL THE STUFF I VOTED ON AND ALSO JUST STUFF THAT WAS COMMON SENSE TO HAVE AROUND. THANK YOU GEORGE W BUSH. |
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Jan 6th, 2006 10:38 AM | |||||||||
Geggy |
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Jan 5th, 2006 08:19 PM | |||||||||
El Blanco |
So, because you are paying more for one of the most used resources, the economy is in the crapper? Cost of living always rises. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 08:02 PM | |||||||||
kahljorn |
"Oh, you were there? So, tell me,how did it happen? Tell me how and why it isn't how you just sarcastically described." Tell me how war innovated it. "Who invented electricity? Refresh my memeory. " Abraham lincoln. "Did I say all inventions were of military design? Did I? Or did I say many inventions were not? " No, but you said war and innovation are having a homosexual affair. "By the way, care to know how the refrideration system as we know it came about? " So we could freeze the battlefield before we triumphantly march over frozen corpses? "When was steel invented?" I'm not exactly sure, 1600's maybe? Iron working has been around for a while, I remember that from jr. high, however the high-quality steels that are produced today have been inovated for a very long time and isn't the same type of steel you'd find in the 1800's. "True life? Fact? History?" As far as I know there's no republican politicians by those names. "Unemployment is down and home ownership is up." Where the fuck did you get that idea from? Unemployment was at a record low, remember the big controversy over ohio? The economy's great though, you're right. Let me go buy some 2.50 a gallon gasoline now. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 06:54 PM | |||||||||
El Blanco |
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Tell me, what is one Japanese innovation? Quote:
But, if you want to look like a 15 year old Japanese girl, thats your bag. Quote:
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Jan 5th, 2006 06:35 PM | |||||||||
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Jan 5th, 2006 05:46 PM | |||||||||
Geggy |
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I can't agree with you that Japaneses don't innovate anything. I'm betting you every cell phone device you've ever owned (if you do own one) was made in Japan but the service and the program is American. I would like to own most of Japanese products but their export wouldn't allow it (or something like that)... Quote:
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Jan 5th, 2006 05:44 PM | |||||||||
sadie | bush won't be in the white house forever, and the ideals that he has set forth won't be kept forever. | ||||||||
Jan 5th, 2006 03:58 PM | |||||||||
Immortal Goat | Sure, they are outdated and antiquated, and sure, they don't bring nations to a screeching hault, but my point is that as long as the ideal still exists, Bush will not let up. He has declared war on Terror. As long as insurgents exist, and as long as we have this war, they WILL be significant, because we are the ones making it so. | ||||||||
Jan 5th, 2006 03:49 PM | |||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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I think this is a good comparison to the so-called "insurgents" in Iraq. Quote:
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Jan 5th, 2006 03:39 PM | |||||||||
Immortal Goat |
More than likely these insurgents have children. And more than likely, these children have been brough up to believe the same as their parents. I doubt that a "better idea" is going to make up for the fact that these kids saw their parents killed by the very people they have been brought up to hate. Think of it in American terms. I white child is brought up to hate black people. His father is a member of the KKK. Most of the country has moved on to the "better idea" of racial tolerance, but if a black man kills this child's father in a riot, that kid will grow up to hate black people just as much (if not more than) his father. And though the KKK may be a small group, the ammount of trouble they can cause is still significant, and people still die from it. Insurgents will never go away, and that is the harsh reality that we as a nation need to face. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 02:49 PM | |||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
But you can kill an idea. You do it with better ideas. I think eventually, as we start to withdraw our troops, and average Iraqis begin to get used to these election things, as well as the lack of totalitarianism and torture chambers, they will probably have less tolerance for this tiny fraction of "insurgents". |
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Jan 5th, 2006 02:39 PM | |||||||||
Immortal Goat |
I guess it's just semantics then. You think being able to fight means accomplishing goals. I think being able to fight means causing a mortality rate in our troops numbering into the thousands. it doesn't matter if they accomplish their goals. They will never go away, because you can't kill an idea. These people are like roaches. Exploding roaches. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 02:32 PM | |||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
I think it's arguable that they aren't doing too well at the dirty warfare, either. They haven't pushed us out of iraq, they haven't stopped elections, and ultimately, they probably won't be able to thrive in Iraq. Of course they will always be able to take cheap shots, but as for any of their desired goals, I'd say they've pretty much failed to achieve those. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 02:14 PM | |||||||||
Immortal Goat | I understand that part of it, and completely agree. What I am saying is that the phrase "they can barely fight us" seems to be underestimating the enemy. | ||||||||
Jan 5th, 2006 01:37 PM | |||||||||
ziggytrix |
I think Goat's referring to any of our soldiers, Kev. And they enemy is clearly able to fight, albeit fighting dirty. The point I think Kult's gettin at, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that no one can stand up to the US in conventional warfare, so we'd do better to spend a billion dollars on counter guerrilla fighter training rather than building billion dollar warheads. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 12:51 PM | |||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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Jan 5th, 2006 12:13 PM | |||||||||
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Jan 5th, 2006 11:53 AM | |||||||||
kahljorn |
"Don't get me wrong, there have been tons of non-military pushed advances, but it just seems thats where the most of them come frome, funding or not. " Yea, like the wheel. That was obviously designed with military intentions; roll a giant stone wheel down a hill and you've killed like half their army. How about electricity? You know when he was flying that kite it was ACTUALLY a stealth bomber he was electrically charging for devestating firepower? Or how about the humble lightbulb we use to destroy subterranean aliens who are light sensitive? Or icecream. We all know what icecream is for. How about steel? In this 20th century we need high quality steel for our swords. I think the idea that the military pushes out lots of "Innovation" is fucking ridiculous. Which republican asshole gave you that stupid idea? Or the, "War creates good economy" idea. Yea, cause, look at this economy. Fucking fantastic. Let's go kill korea. |
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Jan 5th, 2006 10:31 AM | |||||||||
ziggytrix | Only godless commies and nazis think it's wrong to question your own government. | ||||||||
Jan 5th, 2006 09:41 AM | |||||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
Everybody knows Al Gore invented the internet anyway. Quote:
Don't get me wrong, I am not against military spending. I just think arguing about why we should support it because it cures cancer and makes improvements in technology is sort of weak. We should spend money on our military because we need to defend ourselves. Regarding earlier themes in this thread, like jingoism (heh...jingo), nationalism, etc. I think we need to be careful with nationalism and patriotism. As a U.S. citizen, I want the soldiers who defend me to be patriotic to the point of nausea. I want them to be the types who cry during the national anthem. I know to a certain degree you need your soldiers to have that psychological buy-in in order to do what they are asked to do. I don't care that they tend to be ideologically different than me, and on average, conservative Republicans. I can live with that trade off. With that being said, I think the average citizen needs to be careful with their patriotism. " I would prefer people who have more of an inclination to be loyal to their own states and to understand the pespective of their own nation than to fall victim to vain exoticism and perceived intellectual thinking " Sure, however we should be careful not to fall in to the constant trap of arrogance, because arrogance leads to laziness, which IMO, leads to defeat. I think it's perfectly rational (AND patriotic) to constantly question your government and nation. How else will you constantly improve and strive to remain the best? |
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Jan 4th, 2006 10:36 PM | |||||||||
El Blanco |
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They don't innovate anything (besides the occasional robot). They are incredible managers, though. Quote:
Were they to build a long term research center or some sort of colony, that would be impressive. Quote:
It wasn't the tech that let us down that day. |
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Jan 4th, 2006 10:23 PM | |||||||||
Geggy |
Japan spends somewhere in the vincinity of 30 billion a year on defense yet they're far more technologically advanced than the united states... Russia and china spends around 110 billion a year on defense combined and they've formed a space alliance and aiming to land on the moon... United states alone spends 420 billion a year on defense and what do we get...? 9/11... |
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Jan 4th, 2006 09:37 PM | |||||||||
Kulturkampf |
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I think, surprising to some, that the US has such a monopoly on modern war technology that there should be no reason to continue to invest in such extremely expensive equiptment when we can accomplish the job with simpler tools our enemy do not even have -- and by simple, I mean simple. Our enemy can barely fight us, and the idea that we need billion dollar gadgets to blow them up is absurd. I think that what we need to do is support a system that allocates more funding towards general protection of the foot soldier, and less in the way of funky explosives that all too often hit civilians (an infantryman can discriminate between a baby and a terrorist, but a bomb cannot). We should use more money for tax breaks to fuel a better economy and growth throughout the world, and some money should definitely be redirected to providing proper medical care and education to the nations that are failing. In a roundabout way, we even degree. |
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