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| Mar 23rd, 2006 07:07 PM | |||||
| Zhukov |
Nations are confined to the epoch of capitalism, not ancient greece or rome. I'd argue with you more about communism, but I don't have the time to waste my fingers on deaf eyes. |
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| Mar 23rd, 2006 02:00 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Yeah, this guy seems to have plenty of time to get drunk and have people punch him in the face. Then he uses the rest of his time to write skinhead hallmark cards. THIS IS A POOR USE OF MY TAX DOLLARS! |
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| Mar 23rd, 2006 01:33 PM | |||||
| mburbank | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! | ||||
| Mar 23rd, 2006 01:31 PM | |||||
| Dr. Boogie |
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| Mar 23rd, 2006 12:30 PM | |||||
| kahljorn |
"because the ideas that I have cannot fit into words." "There are no proper words to describe the Nationalist feelings." Lol, "No words to describe" "Feelings" "Nationalist feelings". |
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| Mar 23rd, 2006 10:53 AM | |||||
| mburbank |
"The thoughts of the people became tolerant of deviance, and even generally practicing of deviance, from the culture and values of the people." -KillyKonka By deviance, do you mean public drunkenessm brawling and oral sex with dogs, or are you thinking of other sorts of deviance? You're like every muddy headed bully boy, in the name of the Nation and greater good you want ethical standards applied to other people. Clean up your own house, drunky O'blown-by-a-dog. Take a moment or two off from congratulating yourself on your wonderfullness and look in a mirror. If our Nation didn't countenance deviance there would be absolutely no place for you in it. Oh, and when TR wants to break up a fight and a bunch of townfolk who don't even know what it's about won't let him? That's bad. You are siding with a mob over fucking Teddy Roosevelt you inane cunt! "I cannot write philosophies or words anymore coherently, because the ideas that I have cannot fit into words." -KloisKlane No, no, no, no, no. It's not a matter of how grand your philosiphy is, it's a matter of what a bad writer you are and how messy your thought process is. You've obviosuly read some stuff, you've obviosuly synthesized some of it. Stop binge drinking, stop encouraging people to hit you in the head (which by the way contains your brain, numbnuts) and I guarantee your ability to express your thoughts will improve. AND you may find that if you sober up and stop incurring brain damage you may think things through to conclussion and find yourself embracing less childish, violent, philosiphies. I don't say you would, I'm just saying as long as you stay on the track you're on, you have no more idea what you actually believe then the drunk behind Safeway bawling about the Chinese beaming microwave orders into his head and peeing himself. AND DON'T MAKE A DOG BLOW YOU! Did that dog find you attractive? Did that dog have a relationship with you? NO! That dog wanted some peanut butter, and you exploited it's simple dog nature. BAD deviant! BAD! BAD! NO TREATS! |
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| Mar 23rd, 2006 10:25 AM | |||||
| Spectre X | You are so incredibly tiresome. | ||||
| Mar 23rd, 2006 04:51 AM | |||||
| Kulturkampf |
I cannot write philosophies or words anymore coherently, because the ideas that I have cannot fit into words. There are no proper words to describe the Nationalist feelings. But I can try to explain a general thought process. Here are a few concepts vital to Nationalism. (1) Man is weak without his nation. He is divided and incapable of actual progress. He has to depend on himself or a small clan to scrounge by. He is incapable of real progress because the economy is too narrow [no room for specialized jobs on mass scales, let alone technological development], there is a lack of true security due to the perpetual threat of other tribes and clans (or individuals). (2) A nation is weak without unity. Any nation that lacks a national identity and a national direction, any nation that proceeds without a viable goal in mind, is a nation that is not fit to compete with others who do have a national direction and unity. In WWII it did not matter how large China was in comparison to Japan. Because of a total lack of national unity and a war between Communists and loyalists and ethnic division between Manchurians, proper Chinese, Xin-jiang peoples, etc. there was no comprehensive fight against the Japanese, though the Chinese nation's potential was far greater due to richer resources and numbers. (3) Unity is rooted in common culture, values, history, and customs. Nations like India have been historically weak because, historically, i ti snot a nation but rather a collection of independnet peoples on the subcontinent and only recently has there been an attempt to carve a national identity, yet it is daunting. Unity can be rooted in values, as often we see an United American front in the name of the higher values of the American people (that motivated American war-fighting prior to Viet Nam). Even if a nation is divided by values, values that are polar opposities, it is true that there is even still a sense of national unity (take Korea as an example -- there is no question about the division of values, but at the same time no question about a desire for unity on both sides). These three principals make up the corps of what a Nationalist ideology is based on, and they urge a nation to become more united and move towards a national goal. Some goals are temporary, such as a national struggle for liberation of imperialists or such as a national struggle for the destruction of a foreign power, but certain goals are eternal such as the achievement of a better economy and a more comfortable lifestyles. Thus, a Nationalist would encourage a unity amongst the people through a common culture and value system, as well as promote direct movement towards strong ideals. The major problem that a Nationalist has with the contemporary nations is the same problem that destroyed Greece and Rome (as was observed by Will Durant). It was a lack of national unity that lead to the fall of the state and the general decadence of the nation. The thoughts of the people became tolerant of deviance, and even generally practicing of deviance, from the culture and values of the people. Thus, when an alien force fought with the Romans the nation was unable to fight back -- there was no unity amongst the Roman people, and they could not be goaded into defending their own nation. A strong nation cannot tolerate its' disunity. The cause of division does not matter, being that the end results always become the same: the diluting of the nation that threatens its' strengths. It does not matter so much what a nation stands for, for the human being is a social creature, and it does not matter what he lives or stands for, but he cannot stand alone. In his solitude, he is weak, indignant, and unfulfilled -- living amongst animals. It is only through a family and a role in a society can he feel content. Can a man feel content if his wife's attentions are divided amongst men? Can a man feel content if his children do not respect him? Nor can a man feel content if his nation is divided, nor can a man feel content if his nation does not respect him. A common virtue amongst a nation must be preserved, whether by heritage of the national offspawn or of education of the immigrant. I do not believe that there is a better ideology than My Friends, and there is no better way to live than My Way, and there is nothing else to take pride in except for My Own. Nationalism is a unique ideology because subscription to it is not necessarily a subscription to an economic platform or necessarily a political platform; nationalism is embodied in the simple guidance of the nation towards whichever is most beneficial. Sometimes a Nationalist is a socialist, and sometimes a Capitalist. Soemtimes a Nationalist believes there must be a single, strong, unifying leader to guide the nation (such as no longer having elections during America's WWII, or such as Park Jung-hee in Korea), and at other times a democracy (both of these nations restored the national ideals after the war was essentially won). It is a simple philosophy that as a united state, we must take action to remain united and not fragment, and to furthermore promote only ideologies logically and practically beneficial to ourselves. That is why I dislike the people who promote moral relativism, and feel we must abolish social standards. A nation that does not have agree'd conventions and values to live by is not united, and is displaying the signs of rotting. National unity ought to be restored in countless states (i think that Europe is most sore, but I have never been, I just judge from the news). Your nation will fall apart if you do not support its' heritage, its' values, its' customs. It is like your wife no longer loving you or your children no longer respecting you -- it is a nation that has abandoned you and went the course of Greece and Rome, and is merely waiting for the other nations that do have values and national direction to inherit the power. |
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| Mar 23rd, 2006 04:07 AM | |||||
| Kulturkampf |
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People were not dependent on the government, and people generally had a philosophy of live and let live to the point where Teddy Roosevelt, while in North Dakota living as a cowboy, witnessed a man pulled from his bed and beaten terribly -- as he tried to intervene, everyone grabbed him and pulled him off, and said "Whatever this man did, it is between those two." I think really... There was a hearty pioneer spirit and extreme manifestations of individualism, though not in a modern sense of Ayn Rand, but rather in the sense of a frontier and a people founding a nation. Quote:
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I guess I am rather a hypocrite. |
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| Mar 22nd, 2006 12:35 PM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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| Mar 22nd, 2006 12:18 PM | |||||
| mburbank |
I'm going to need you to define this brief post civil war pre 1890 American identity. A.) I still haven't heard you say what all that would be, and B.) Why would our National Character during this brief historic window, whatever it may have been, be our true national character as opposed to any of the other, longer held charcateristics before and after? If you want to argue someplace like Korea, with a history thousands of years old, truly has a national charcater, I think the content might be debatable, but the idea that there might be one is pretty solid. I think you have a severe case of identity anxiety. "I hate the excuses they give for promiscuous sex, drug abuse, homosexuality, etc. ad nauseum. the ideology is of the weak." Okay. I hate the excuses you give for alchohol abuse and public brawling. You romanticize them and paint them with Frank Frazetta's air brush. The ideology of the hooligan. Plus, you let a dog lick your weiner. What the hell is wrong with you? That's not what animal husbandry is, 4H Dropout, and it's NOT what peanut butter is for. George Washington Carver is going to rie from the grave and beat your face in, which you'll probably videotape and put on the web. |
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| Mar 22nd, 2006 11:13 AM | |||||
| AChimp |
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| Mar 22nd, 2006 08:55 AM | |||||
| glowbelly | i'm gonna go with drunk again | ||||
| Mar 22nd, 2006 03:47 AM | |||||
| Kulturkampf |
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I hate the excuses they give for promiscuous sex, drug abuse, homosexuality, etc. ad nauseum. the ideology is of the weak. |
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| Mar 22nd, 2006 03:43 AM | |||||
| Kulturkampf |
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Communist ideology stems from the notion that the worker is exploited and his labor is robbed of him by the capitalist. That is an inappropriate ideology. They talk about how man is weak and enslaved in a capitalist state -- I think it is similar in some ways to the above. |
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| Mar 21st, 2006 08:19 PM | |||||
| sadie | spectrex made me hehe. | ||||
| Mar 21st, 2006 05:22 PM | |||||
| Emu |
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| Mar 21st, 2006 05:11 PM | |||||
| Spectre X | It's the shut your god damned mouth you stupid hot topic nerd. | ||||
| Mar 21st, 2006 05:02 PM | |||||
| The One and Only... |
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| Mar 21st, 2006 10:53 AM | |||||
| mburbank | I'm not rich enough or poor enough for a government handout, frowny emoticon. | ||||
| Mar 21st, 2006 10:03 AM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
I'm not a big fan of Communism either, but government handouts rule! Ask the airline industry. |
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| Mar 21st, 2006 09:53 AM | |||||
| mburbank |
"We are too young to know what the national identity was, and through constant bombardment of immigration and subsequently being immediately thrown into the age of mass media, it is hard to develop any idea of what we are in such an overly individualized, compartmented society. " So... You don't know what the national identity was, you don't know what it is, but you're a nationalist. Since we are both young and not the indigenous people of America, can I assume you think the American national identity which you are a nationalist in favor of is European? How long at a time do you stay sober for? 'Cause I can't tell if you are truly a disordered mind, or just drunk. Just what do you think 'Leftism' is? I get that you ate communists, but as a nationalist, why do you care? The tiny vestigial communist party in America is beyond pathetic. It seems to me you care far more about your concept of other countries national identity than your own, and I would think most foreign nationalists would be less then overjoyed about a foreigner protecting his concpet of their national identity. You have this vast, freefloating anger and agression, and you feel determined to assign it to something. That's a totally natural human predicament. But it doesn't make ou a glorious oiled barbarian hero. |
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| Mar 21st, 2006 12:40 AM | |||||
| Pub Lover | KK seems to think people on Welfare are Communists, it was probably something his Dad said one time when Taxes went up. | ||||
| Mar 21st, 2006 12:32 AM | |||||
| Zhukov |
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Also, communists don't believe that it is okay to be dependent on government handouts. So... |
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| Mar 21st, 2006 12:06 AM | |||||
| ScruU2wice | the answer to your question is, so you can be the villian in a die hard movie or the next season of 24 | ||||
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