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Aug 1st, 2003 06:03 PM
Drew Katsikas OMG, there wrestling team is gonna be like the friggin! No one will wrestle a fag-boy gay fag homo queer!??!
Aug 1st, 2003 05:31 PM
Abcdxxxx does the disctrict recognize that school as a "black school" ? or did it just end up that way because of the areas demographics?
Aug 1st, 2003 03:40 PM
Anonymous The reason it's a public school is because most private schools are accepting to begin with; Public school is generally more hostile. There is no legal way for them to turn down non-homosexuals, and the focus of the school is well-enough-known to deter most of them in the first place.

This really isn't any different than the white and black schools we have in our area. At Baltimore Polytechnic, for example, they didn't stop Raymond Yu from transferring to it after he got booted out of my school, but the student body is 99% black at Poly. The only problems here are being raised by people that aren't gay in the first place and are assuming what 'them queers' would want, which is homophobic to begin with.

In conclusion, gay kids get beat to fuck and back in public school, and here they won't. Even if we lived in a model society this school would still be a good idea.
Jul 31st, 2003 03:40 PM
Abcdxxxx Look this isn't really a school, it's a program. A lot of programs have their own principles. This particular one isn't old, it has been around for a long time. They just now got their own principle as opposed to the one guy who oversees all the other ones. Every major district has speciality programs for "troubled kids" and other various special need demographics. These kids most likely switched into this program at the advice of a counselor after they were failing to survive at a regular school. Without these programs you'd see a lot more drop outs , or worse. Public Schools with taxpayer money tend to force the same curriculum on everyone, which means a lot of kids are alienated. So special need curriculums are created, and funded mainly through special grant money from various places (private, state, federal, etc.)

I do tend to think people put themselves in their own ghettos, and self segragation can be a problem, especially if they're just compensating for feeling "left out". A better method would be to fight for proper intergration, and broaden the curriculum to meet the needs of it's student bodies in a way that is inclusive and not imposed. Meaning something like the rainbow curriculum that forces a lesson plan in diversity on all students is as dangerous as any forced curriculum plan in ignorance. Anything that sweeping and broad will not meet the needs of the students. Harvey Milk wanted to be treated the same, not special, and to be recognized for what he was.

This isn't the issue for this particular school though. These kids aren't looking for a sepcial gay education. The media is just jumping all over anything homosexual related and making it sound like an entirely new school is being created when that isn't the case.
Jul 31st, 2003 02:01 AM
badlydrawn
yuck.
this isnt going to help really. give people a reason to complain. the people that go there wont realize much. and bleh. :/
Jul 30th, 2003 03:06 PM
FS Prejudice is not necessarily based on experience. Many people are prejudiced because of what the media, their friends or family tell them. And sometimes even not that. Sometimes people simply make up reasons to be prejudiced for themselves because they don't like people who are different.
Jul 30th, 2003 02:33 PM
The One and Only...
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I think you've been brainwashed and are spurting out rhetoric gurgling that sounds exactly like what they tried to convince me in school. racism for the most part is, I agree ridiculous and ignorant. Personal prejudice is however often very accurate as it is based on ones own experiences after repeated incedince. As long as one stays open to the possibility of an anomily in his or her prejudice then its fine.
Brainwashed? No, I'm actually making some god damn sense. You have to understand that judging people as a whole versus on a personal level is a bad thing. It can lead to conflict. I don't like seeing gay people killed because they're gay, and the isolation of them from normal schools certainly isn't going to have them more accepted.

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Do you want to make these two ways of thinking thought crimes? Oh wait they already are. And you buy it. Do you not see the error in thinking you can make someone change their mind by making it illegal to think a certain way?
I don't understand what they heck you are saying. I'm not making it illegal for anyone to think anything: I'm just making it a hell of a lot less likely in future generations.

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Why?
How many white people do you know who will not swim in the same pool as a black because they think it's dirty?

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But anyway, yeah, if you mean government enforced racism, sure and fine. But the stuff the common citizen says is pretty much the same shmeal with a little dash of public education brainwashing thrown in there.
Please, shut up with the brainwashing thing. It's making you look foolish.

The government did not enforce that. It's just human nature to accept something different than you more as you interact with it.

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So for society to progress we must enforce a specific way of thinking under penalty of forcable coercion? Do you even bother thinking for yourself, because I can tell you are not truly thinking about the words coming out of your mouth. You think they just sound pretty.
Do you even bother thinking at all? I don't understand where the heck half the babble is dribbling out of your mouth from.

Get the notion that I am enforcing someone to think anything out of your mind. I am not. I am just saying some ways of thinking are bad. Take Charles Manson. He is an example of someone who had a bad way of thinking.

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You seriously sound like you just got out of a D.A.R.E class or something and bought every fucking word.
You seriously sound like someone who just walked out of Hot Topic and is trying to be different from everyone else, even though you are surrounded by people just like you.

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I bet you think sex is fatal and girls get pregnant once more for every time you initiate heavy petting.
I bet you have an IQ lower than 80. BTW: I desperately want to get laid.
Jul 30th, 2003 11:10 AM
kellychaos Remember that irrational fear that their MIGHT be homosexual guy in gym class who just MIGHT be looking at your luscious bod? I think that this might raise the probability a bit.
Jul 30th, 2003 09:50 AM
CaptainBubba Prejudice does not come from nowhere. It is the product of repeated occurences. You pre-judge constantly throughout the day. Otherwise how would you know that the next sandwhich isn't poisonous? It might be. But your prejudice tells you that most bread isn't full of cyanide.

The same idea can be applied to people to get "racism". From repeated incedince I have a prejudice (or racist idea) that black people are more often mesomorphs than white people. Which is a good thing for black people.
Jul 30th, 2003 01:40 AM
Zero Signal
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Personal prejudice is however often very accurate as it is based on ones own experiences after repeated incedince. As long as one stays open to the possibility of an anomily in his or her prejudice then its finel
"Prejudice" comes from "pre-" and "judge". I promise you that I am not prejudice. I do not pre-judge.

I judge.
Jul 30th, 2003 12:30 AM
Abcdxxxx Yeah but now who are all the closet cases going to beat up while figuring out their sexuality? This is horrible!

The truth is it's just a small program. I bet these kids have to go to other schools for gym class, and electives. Self imposed segragation is dangerous. It's setting a precedence that these kids are different and need to be different, which then shoots them in the foot when it comes ot equal rights. This is the rainbow curriculum gone haywire.
Jul 29th, 2003 10:33 PM
CaptainBubba
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The world would be a better place if rascism/prejuidice towards people did not exist. I think that is pretty much accepted, but if you feel the need for someone to explain why just ask.
I think you've been brainwashed and are spurting out rhetoric gurgling that sounds exactly like what they tried to convince me in school. racism for the most part is, I agree ridiculous and ignorant. Personal prejudice is however often very accurate as it is based on ones own experiences after repeated incedince. As long as one stays open to the possibility of an anomily in his or her prejudice then its fine.

Do you want to make these two ways of thinking thought crimes? Oh wait they already are. And you buy it. Do you not see the error in thinking you can make someone change their mind by making it illegal to think a certain way?

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If you believe that rascism is as bad today as it was in the 50s, then I pity you. Seriously.
Why?

But anyway, yeah, if you mean government enforced racism, sure and fine. But the stuff the common citizen says is pretty much the same shmeal with a little dash of public education brainwashing thrown in there.

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There is a victim. It's called society, and it's progression is being killed.
So for society to progress we must enforce a specific way of thinking under penalty of forcable coercion? Do you even bother thinking for yourself, because I can tell you are not truly thinking about the words coming out of your mouth. You think they just sound pretty.

You seriously sound like you just got out of a D.A.R.E class or something and bought every fucking word.

I bet you think sex is fatal and girls get pregnant once more for every time you initiate heavy petting.
Jul 29th, 2003 09:29 PM
The One and Only...
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Segregation was not just tossed. It was outlawed. Effectively doing nothing as the gov. did not relinquish any of its power. It simply modified the ways it must implement it.
Segregation does not exist in public education today. By tossed I meant outlawed.

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I have no problem with prejudice. I have no problem with racism. LEGALLY. I believe people should be able to be prejudiced and racist if they want to. Hell I know in some respects I'm highly prejudiced and even somewhat racist.

Personally I am against most racism however, and find it ignorant and repugnant.
The world would be a better place if rascism/prejuidice towards people did not exist. I think that is pretty much accepted, but if you feel the need for someone to explain why just ask.

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Btw. Whats this about racism "going down"? Are you by chance, oh just a chance, completely and tottally pulling that arbitrary little tibit of info out of your freshly wiped cornhole? hmmm, could it be? hmmmm.
If you believe that rascism is as bad today as it was in the 50s, then I pity you. Seriously.

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Here's a question for all of you: WHAT IS WRONG WITH GIVING PEOPLE CHOICES FOR WHICH THERE IS NO VICTIM IN EITHER CHOICE?
There is a victim. It's called society, and it's progression is being killed.
Jul 29th, 2003 06:09 PM
CaptainBubba
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Having a school intended for a particular type of people serves the purpose of allowing people to choose who they wish to consort and learn with.
Which only supports prejuidice. Why do think rascism has gone down so much since segregation was tossed?
Segregation was not just tossed. It was outlawed. Effectively doing nothing as the gov. did not relinquish any of its power. It simply modified the ways it must implement it.

I have no problem with prejudice. I have no problem with racism. LEGALLY. I believe people should be able to be prejudiced and racist if they want to. Hell I know in some respects I'm highly prejudiced and even somewhat racist.

Personally I am against most racism however, and find it ignorant and repugnant.

Btw. Whats this about racism "going down"? Are you by chance, oh just a chance, completely and tottally pulling that arbitrary little tibit of info out of your freshly wiped cornhole? hmmm, could it be? hmmmm.

Heres a question for all of you: WHAT IS WRONG WITH GIVING PEOPLE CHOICES FOR WHICH THERE IS NO VICTIM IN EITHER CHOICE?

Please don't bring up tax dollars unless you read my previous post adressing that.
Jul 29th, 2003 05:20 PM
Mike
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I find it funny that people still make the claim, "Gay people don't bother me, as long as they're not so in-your-face about it."
That depends how you define "in-your-face". My first roommate in college really was in-your-face about it. He got all pissed off at me when I wasn't willing to display gay pride signs on our door and when my girlfriend was hanging out in the room he got all pissed off when he caught us making out claiming that we were doing it to make a statement against his homosexuality. He complained that I wouldn't let him display pictures of what looked to me like gay porn on the table that we shared.

I can honestly say that "gay people don't bother me, as long as they're not so in-your-face about it".
Jul 29th, 2003 02:35 PM
Ninjavenom What a ridiculous idea. Being gay is not an occupation, it can't be taught in public schools. Besides, do they think that opening a school that is publicly "All gay" is not going to cause more problems for the kids? When they get home, all the neighborhood kids will point and laugh at them because they go to Homosex Tech, or whatever, and the school will have its fair share of eggings and front yard Mustang burnouts. The only difference is that for a straight person to egg that school or to beat up one of the students (for a reason other than the student's sexuality) would be considered a hate crime. The kids will get harassed just as much as at any public school, because other people don't go away. Joey Gayguy is still going to get mocked for his choices no matter what school he goes to, it's a high school kid's M.O. to be ignorant.
Jul 29th, 2003 02:16 PM
The One and Only...
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Originally Posted by CaptainBubba
Having a school intended for a particular type of people serves the purpose of allowing people to choose who they wish to consort and learn with.
Which only supports prejuidice. Why do think rascism has gone down so much since segregation was tossed?
Jul 29th, 2003 02:15 PM
ItalianStereotype I wouldn't mind gay people....IF I COULD KILL THEM ALL.
Jul 29th, 2003 01:29 PM
Bennett I would like to hear the opinion of people who were openly gay in public schools, to find out how tolerant, accepting, objective and influential their peers and instructors were.

I feel kinda in-between on this issue... I think initially, it would be good for those students in the schools to be outside of a hostile environment until they and their peers are at a more mature age... I know it's not an ALL gay world, but I think young adults are more well equiped and generally more tolerant than teenagers. On the other hand, I feel like it is a step back, almost a defeat for the cause of acceptance... I want to have faith in people, that one day we could get past being hung up on someone's sexual orientation, but we've all seen how ugly and destructive the taunts of high schoolers can be.

One side note: I find it funny that people still make the claim, "Gay people don't bother me, as long as they're not so in-your-face about it." See also: I wouldn't mind gay people, if they weren't so gay!
Jul 29th, 2003 01:04 PM
Zero Signal America has become so tolerant that it tolerates intolerance. :/
Jul 29th, 2003 01:03 PM
Mike
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Diverse? How in hell is all-gay school diverse?
Good point. Unfortunately, in the modern obsession over "political correctness" the term "diverse" has somehow come to mean "containing minorities" even if that minority is the only one to be found in a given environment.
Jul 29th, 2003 12:18 PM
CaptainBubba Having a school intended for a particular type of people serves the purpose of allowing people to choose who they wish to consort and learn with.

The gov. already controls who plays with who. The more choices, the less control the gov. has in who people have to hang out with. Thus I find nothing wrong with this. As long as the gov. insists on being in control of education they must provide an artificial educational competive enviroment so to speak.

If there are 2 schools in city x that are both the same, then what is one to do if he does not like one school for whatever reason? Becuase the gov. has a monopoly on schools, he can do nothing. However, in a privatized enviroment there would be many competing schools which all fill a somewhat specific niche in an enviromental, social, and academic sense.

I simply see this as an artifical version of that natural system. So stop bitching and moaning about your fucking tax dollars. I KNOW AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE. And believe me, I don't agree with that part of this, nor the entire tax funded education system.
Jul 29th, 2003 12:07 PM
mburbank I don't know, I think Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Transgenered is pretty diverse. All they're missing is straight.

I think a better idea might be a magnet school based around principles of tolerance.

New York already has tons of schools that are speciffically selective. How far do you think you'd get suing the High school of Performing Arts for discriminating against advanced physics students?

While I personally have nothing major against this idea, if you achknowledge need for a gay school where gay kids can study and learn in a terror free environmentg, that's pretty much saying you have really bad problem that you tolerate and have no intention of fixing.
Jul 29th, 2003 11:55 AM
Jeanette X Diverse? How in hell is all-gay school diverse?
Jul 29th, 2003 07:59 AM
Zhukov
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an opportunity to obtain a secondary education in a safe and supportive environment. ... We believe that success requires the ability to respect and value the diverse human community

I don't think that creating a brand new school is the right way to go about making a 'safe and supportive environment' for all students. Perhaps improving existing social standards instead of spliting from them would work better for everyone involved...
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