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May 27th, 2006 01:45 AM | |||||||
Abcdxxxx | hahah guess I won't have to tune into the 700 Club this week, thanks. | ||||||
May 26th, 2006 10:54 PM | |||||||
Preechr |
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Hitler has become our most easily grasped embodiment of the concept of Satan. Jews, the chosen of God, have served as representatives of the children of God. 9/11, well... that was just a function of globalization. |
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May 26th, 2006 03:54 PM | |||||||
Abcdxxxx |
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Uh, because it is anti-semitic to say the victims of the Holocaust, primariy Jews, have distorted facts to manipulate politics. End of story. Nobody fixates on the facts of the Rwanda or Armenian genocides... your issue is with your distrust of Jews and belief in secret cabals. Quote:
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May 26th, 2006 10:27 AM | |||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
WTC '93 didn't have the bearing on the entire country like 9/11, so strike one. Oklahoma City bombing was an internal terrorist action, and not an attack, so strike two. Come on, one more time.... |
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May 26th, 2006 10:04 AM | |||||||
Geggy |
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I'll answer the rest when I got time. |
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May 26th, 2006 09:32 AM | |||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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Have you ever heard of a monday morning quarterback? It's really easy, after 9/11, to look back and say "OMG, HOW DID WE MISS THAT, CONSPIRACY!@1" It wasn't that respective agencies weren't doing their jobs. A big problem was that they weren't talking to each other. We hadn't been attacked on the continental U.S. since 1812, Geggy. Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base, on an island, not a civilian center. I think you also aren't taking into account the barbarism involved in the attack. Prior to 9/11, who would've imagined such an attack? (and before you start foaming at the mouth about Bin Laden's attack memo, keep in mind that intelligence agencies are hammered every day with those things, all of which have degrees of truthiness and veracity). btw, what's your opinion on the Patriot Act? Quote:
We completely revamped our security agencies, Geggy. We took Joe Lieberman's advice and created a department of Homeland Security (which I'm sure you oppose 100%, b/c you're a reactionary Bush hater). The FBI, taking the heat to heart, initiated several changes: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32336.html#_1_7 Quote:
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I think Bush deserves a lot of legitimate criticism. Which is why people like you have no place in that debate. Quote:
I could cite several links about Al Qaeda arrests and killings made all around the globe since 9/11. We gave them a serious blow to their infrastructure while invading Afghanistan. The recent bombing in Pakistan killed high level Al Qaeda operatives. I'm not going to go to the trouble of citing too much, becasue it's a wasted effort on you. You'll simply bounce around it like Daffey Duck. Quote:
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May 26th, 2006 06:40 AM | |||||||
Geggy |
First off, the security prior to and on 9/11 is too methodical to be considered a failure. I envy you for thinking that because I want to believe it was a failure but there are overwhelming evidence that contradicts the failure theory. And not a single officials from intelligence agencies has been fired, instead got promotions and awarded with medals, how do you explain that? You've got every single thing you've said about me totally backwards. You dont think bush deserves a bashing from time to time because of the corruption and incompetence? And I'm anti american because I'm bashing bush for destroying this country? I'm pissed off for to 9/11 victims because not a single suspect has yet been brought to justice. How is it anti semtic to think that the number of dead in the holocaust was revised to 6 million for political gain? What does holocaust have to do with 9/11? |
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May 25th, 2006 06:08 PM | |||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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You're a Bush basher, Geggy. You border on plain old anti-American. You also flirt with anti-semitism. The noton that you're simply a "truth seeker" is hysterical. Quote:
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As for the 9/11 families-- I'm guessing the family members of 9/11 victims think a lot of things. Their loss was terrible, and I feel for them. That doesn't mean that they should be deciding policy, prosecuting terrorists, or be running the war on terrorism. |
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May 25th, 2006 03:08 PM | |||||||
Geggy |
Hey now remember, take a step back and breath. I can understand that its tough for me to convince most of the new yorkers about the 9/11 cover ups. This isnt about left vs right, conversative vs liberal, bush bashing and all that silly bs. I'm starting to notice that even growing numbers of republican conversatives are starting to question the 9/11 cover up. I mean, it's insane not to!! Quote:
Moussaoui was sentenced with life imprisonment because of his relations with al-Qaeda. Family members of the 9/11 victims believes he was the wrong guy to be on trial and would like to see those with deeper involvement of the 9/11 planning on trial instead, but they didnt say who exactly. Then lo and behold, "bin Laden" releases an audio tape saying moussaoui had no involvement. What convinient time for him to tell us that kind of info. |
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May 25th, 2006 12:33 PM | |||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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You have no point. You're bouncing around from one theory to the next, all the while ignoring every valid point that gets thrown at you. You've been refuted every step of the way in this thread, but you just ignore the point and move along to another "oh yeah!!? well what if they were transported there by a fairy!!??" sort of comment. Quote:
It's not that there wasn't information on these guys already out there. The problem was that agencies were out of the habit of sharing knowledge and communicating. As one of your OWN links told us, the FAA and the Pentagon didn't even have their systems linked in order to streamline the process if a hijacking were to occur. Like Ant already said, we just weren't prepared for this. We took our security for granted, so the left hand never knew what the right hand was doing. It wasn't that those men were evil geniuses, it's that we were lazy and apathetic, and didn't pay attention to what was going on right under our noses. Various pundits and policy makers will tell you that neither Clinton nor Bush took the threat of terrorism seriously enough. Quote:
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PROVE THAT THEY HAD "LITTLE" TIES TO AL QAEDA AND RADICAL ISLAM. PROVE IT. I've already proven otherwise, so give it a shot. Look Geggy, I'm going to ask something of you that Max has asked of OAO. Before you click "submit", I'd like for you to print out the things you write, look yourself in a mirror, and read them to yourself before you post them here. I think this could be helpful for you. Geggy, do fires happen near fire houses? Do crimes occur near police stations? Have you ever SEEN the NSA office building, Geggy? I drive past it quite frequently. Just like any other government agency, it's a big bureacracy with a lot of staff members and departments. It's predominantly run by civilians and bureacrats. So please, expalin to me what in God's name is the relevance in how close they were to the physical office space? Is it terrible irony? Yes. Is it unfortunate? Of course. Is it an indication of some nefarious government cover up? I shouldn't even have to answer that. Quote:
I think Ant already covered your hypocrisy regarding this Bin Laden stuff. Quote:
My concern however, and my point in wasting time on these threads, is that you and Geggy drag down the entire debate with this nonsense. You certainly don't speak for a significant portion of the population, but that won't stop critics on the Right from allowing you to reflect that (which is why, if you noticed, folks like Blanco joke that you must be working for the RNC). I not only think it's important that you're conspiracies get refuted, I also think it's important that liberals and so-called progressives dismiss this crap as well. Loudly. There are problems in this country, and there are specifically gripes to be had with the Bush administration and the GOP. But it's important, IMO, that liberals and other Leftists stop playing into this stupid Bush hating, U.$. hating shit that has been so prevalent since the 1960's. Look back at some of the progressives and populists in our past-- Bob La Follette, Al Smith, and William jennings Bryan. These men were very critical of American imperial ambitions, but were also patriots (and often very Christian). They understood the place and purpose of their criticism, and weren't simply anti-American by default, not if logic, reason, and patriotism were to be exhausted in its place. I think it's the responsibility of Leftists to dismiss your theories. And it's kind of fun. |
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May 25th, 2006 10:27 AM | |||||||
Ant10708 |
I don't get you Geggy. You sometimes say bin laden audio tapes are the product of the us government and other times you use them to prove your theories. Also I cannot believe you discredited something because it only "probaly" happened. "If they were on terrorist watch list and some had been implicated in the cole bombing, how were they able to buy plane tickets online using a credit cards that showed their real names? When they've arrived into the US some of the times before 9/11, how were they able to bypass security with all these type of background info on their record?" Human error. And like you yourself just said, plenty of Arabs share the same name. People don't do their jobs efficiently all the time and before 9/11 the average American never even thought we'd be hit by a major terrorist attack so I don't see how airport secruity not paying attention to protocols they rarely ever had to use is much proof of anything. Geggy even if the US was involved. Why is it that hard for you to believe that Islamic extremists hijacked planes and attacked the US? |
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May 25th, 2006 08:07 AM | |||||||
ranxer |
kevin thanks for pointing out your fascination with the kazinsky and me, yer right, i'm a closet luddite that is really so paranoid i work under psuedo names.. sheesh. Quote:
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May 25th, 2006 06:25 AM | |||||||
Geggy |
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Also it's a part of airliner's policy that when someone who is not an US citizen and buys a one way ticket, they will require to go through extra screening during boarding, and this was also before 9/11. Quote:
Also, are you sure he was able pull a highly trained type of maneuver while flying a boeing 757 before hitting the pentagon? Quote:
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By the way, speaking of patsies, do you still think moussaoui had anything to do with 9/11? Even "bin Laden" said he had no involvement in the audio tape that was released the other day. What was he doing in the US taking up aviation training? Why did they so desperately want him to be granted a death penalty? |
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May 25th, 2006 01:27 AM | |||||||
Ant10708 |
Geggy you just got owned by Kevin. But seriously Kevin we all know Travelocity is heavily invested in the U.S. government. Can you really expect such truth seekers to believe such biased sources? How does Travelocity know they bought the tickets anyways. Because their records show it? I laugh at records. http://www.911hoax.com/ |
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May 25th, 2006 01:08 AM | |||||||
Abcdxxxx |
Even if you're programmed to think all these conspiracy websites succeed at the sick pairing of debunking the "9/11 fable" + revising the facts of the Holocaust.... ...they still fail miserably at PROVING the "real terrorists" are the US government + oil barons + exploiters of the Holocaust + Zionists that conspire to take over the world. Whis IS what the one thing they all are suggesting, if not outright claiming right? Doesn't it concern you when these people can't even discern between names, let alone internet rumors? Doesn't that put their credebility along with it's agenda into question regardless of their institutional affiliations? |
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May 24th, 2006 04:23 PM | |||||||
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May 24th, 2006 04:14 PM | |||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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Majed Moqed: Also proven to be on the flight, and an picture taken in Green Belt, MD (right near DC) places him there with Hani Hanjour on 9/2/01. Nawaf al-Hazmi: Also fought in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Chechnya. Malaysian officials who recorded proceedings at the Al Qaeda summit that same year in January reported him talking at length on potential terrorist activities. Below is a picture of him being checked at Dulles on 9/11: Salem al-Hazmi: Brother of nawaf, and btw, Travelocity shows that they both bought tix for Flight 77 in August online. Hani Hanjour: "Hanjour obtained a commercial pilots license in 1999 and according to the chief instructor, "Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour#The_attack Quote:
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Let's say, for the sake of your ridiculous argument, that he WASN'T on the plane, and that someone else of the four in fact crashed the plane. The other four were DEFINITELY on the plane, and the they DEFINITELY had at least loose ties with Al Qaeda and radical Islam. Coincidence? No. |
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May 23rd, 2006 08:53 PM | |||||||
El Blanco | No, Jordan's points actually stood. | ||||||
May 23rd, 2006 08:36 PM | |||||||
Geggy | I know I said I'm officially retired but I can't help myself. I'm michael jordan of 9/11 heh. | ||||||
May 23rd, 2006 08:33 PM | |||||||
Abcdxxxx |
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May 23rd, 2006 08:31 PM | |||||||
Geggy |
god dammit if there's one thing I hate, it's the countless number of arabs who share same names. I swear they're doing it on purpose! Quote:
How can you prove they were members of Al qaeda? Just because they were islam and have arab sounding names? Or was it because Rummy says so? How did the fbi/cia ever name these hijackers responsible for crashing a plane into the pentagon in just three days after the attacks when the fbi/cia have claimed they failed to connect the dots with an assload of forewarnings they've received that could've help them prevent 9/11? It can't be simply by looking at arab sounding names on the passenger manifest. Why did they change one of the hijackers' name from Mosear Caned to Hani Hanjour in the same day without explaining who Caned was and why he appeared on the original list of hijackers? In fact, why was Hani Hanjour's name not on the AA77 passenger manifest? |
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May 23rd, 2006 05:03 PM | |||||||
Ant10708 |
An American counternarcotics official was killed and two other Americans wounded in a suicide bombing in western Afghanistan today, while heavy fighting between Taliban insurgents and Afghan police continued in two southern provinces, officials said," reports the New York Times. "We confirm that a U.S. citizen contractor for the State Department Bureau of International Narcotic and Law Enforcement, working for the police training program in Herat was killed in a vehicle-borne I.E.D. attack," Chris Harris, an American Embassy spokesman, told the newspaper. After this mention, the Times moves on to detail the increasing violence between Afghan puppet police and "militants," that is to say Afghans fighting against the occupation of their country, an entirely natural occurrence. 100 % credible. the Times moves on to detail the increasing violence between Afghan puppet police and "militants," that is to say Afghans fighting against the occupation of their country, an entirely natural occurrence. |
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May 23rd, 2006 04:48 PM | |||||||
Ant10708 |
global research is 100% credible!!! Judicial Watch Caught Pulling A 180 On Pentagon Footage The president of the organization that sued for the video footage, also made an appearance on Fox on the same day of the government-released video clips. He appeared for a few minutes on Mr. O'Reilly's show, on which the new footage was also aired. On that show, the JW president made the absurd statement "this definitely proves a plane was present." Even O'Reilly, well known as a staunch supporter of the administration was forced to state "I can't see a plane there." Yet the very next day, I heard the same Judicial Watch president live on a radio show sing a completely different tune about what could be seen, and that "more footage is to be released soon." The reason for his flip-flop opinion will probably never be known, unless his bank account (or JW) had a mysterious large deposit of untraceable origin that day. Supposedly more footage is to be released, but has not as of this writing. One can imagine the bickering going on inside the pentagon over this matter. After all, this isn't like doing post-production work on a motion picture that can take months. All an un-named employee must do is to take 5 minutes and make a copy of good RAW video footage and release it. No credits, no music, no editing. Period. Unfortunately, with professional video editing workstations used in motion pictures today, the next footage that shows a plane will be perfect and undetectable as a fake. And it will appear near election time or about the time Iran is to be invaded, when voters at the polls will remember it and think the "war on terror" is justified. Even though no jumbo-jet was ever there. The biggest problem the government has? There never was a plane. |
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May 23rd, 2006 04:11 PM | |||||||
KevinTheOmnivore |
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May 23rd, 2006 03:58 PM | |||||||
ranxer |
michel chossudovsky knows what he's talking about and printing on global research.. the haulocaust industry is a tough subject, easily and hugely attacked by the headlines, people generally don't look into the questions or details. Choss is mostly in agreement with others i respect on the subject like Norman Finkelstein author of the Haulocaust Industry. being on the edge and going against the mainstream means you will make enemies so i'm not surprised by the response here. regarding electronic weapons, i've personally been subject to a minor em weapon, the research has been shown on major outlets like the history channel, folks this is old stuff, if you doubt it, just wait, cause it will not go away no matter how far you stick your head in the sand. |
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