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| Nov 7th, 2004 02:42 PM | ||
| Anonymous | Personally, I'd be willing to pay a little more to the government just to keep jesus out of the constitution. | |
| Nov 5th, 2004 03:53 PM | ||
| Ant10708 |
The tax cuts did not just go to the wealthy but to small business owners as far as I know. I mean everyone techincally got a tax cut but the wealthy and small business owners contributed the most. |
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| Nov 5th, 2004 03:50 PM | ||
| Ant10708 | My dad who is a small business owner received a nice size tax cut because of Bush and he put it back into his buisness by buying a piece of machinery he needed and he has hired an extra worker since then. | |
| Nov 5th, 2004 03:31 PM | ||
| The One and Only... |
I love how people assume that the majority of rich people are liberal spenders yet make claims that people like me fail to account for human nature. It amazes me. Anyway, tax cuts allow for a more efficient allocation of resources based on supply/demand in the market and increase the incentive to become an entrepeneur. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 10:52 PM | ||
| Bass |
You can't rely on a select few (the rich) to rejuvenate the economy. If the middle and lower class don't have money to spend, the rich don't have profitable business. If the majority of the people have money to spend, a demand for items will go up. If the demand goes up, companys must raise output to a certain degree. In order to accomplish this, they just hire many unskileld workers and pay them. It's much more sound than paying off the rich who buy very little. The rich do buy more expensive items, but I'd rather sell many, easy marketable, affordable items, each of which producing some profit, than selling few, high priced, difficult to sell items. that the return on is good but not that great In order to do this (stimulate business growth and sells) it's simplest to return the money to that majority of the people. That's just my opinion though. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 09:07 PM | ||
| conus |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 07:11 PM | ||
| Perndog |
Alright, you got me. Allow me to fix my argument. First, if you're trying to make intelligent arguments, leave out the references to communism. Communism was supposed to be a historical inevitability, not a system to be imposed on a nation. It would never "work in theory" because it's not a course of action. So I'll address Max and Helm who were nice enough not to be asinine in their responses. My point was that at least the wealthy have the ability to contribute to the national economy, and despite the opinions of SO many liberals, plenty of them do so. The Bush family, given a tax break, would buy that yacht. But a lot of new money investors would put their extra cash to good use. Much better use, I guarantee, than Joe Welfare would or could. A better plan would be just to offer easier loans for investors at all levels. I know part of the point is to just line more bulging Anglo pockets. But it's not a completely idiotic plan economically speaking, because it might (realistically, not in theory) be effective to a point given the tendencies of the newly wealthy. Wait. Why am I bothering? I'm not rich. Or poor. Or politically involved. Fuck. Just nevermind. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 02:30 PM | ||
| AChimp |
People who sit around thinking up ways to "fix" capitalism or "make it better" are invariably losers (like OAO) who always fail to take into account human nature. Why? Because it's the one thing that they can't make an equation for or put on a pie chart. "No one's going to do that because someone will come along and compete with them and the system will keep getting better because it will have to and blah blah blah blah..."  Good on paper, bad in practice, like Communism. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 02:26 PM | ||
| Cosmo Electrolux | Reagans trickle down theory....didn't work then, doesn't work now. | |
| Nov 4th, 2004 01:53 PM | ||
| Miss Modular |
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Like communism, it works in theory, but human nature gets in the way. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 01:47 PM | ||
| Anonymous |
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 WOLVES. GONNA GET 'CHA. WOOOLVES. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 11:41 AM | ||
| mburbank |
" Hand a poor man an extra few thousand bucks, and he gets a nicer car. Hand a rich man an extra few million dollars, and he spends it all on a new business because he's already got enough money for himself. " The thousand on the car goes directly back into the economy and is multiplied by the vast number of poor people. The wealthy in our country have not in any way demonstrated they understand the concept of "Having enough money for themselves" Why do you suppose th disparity between the rich and poor has grown so dramatically in the last decade? Why do you suppose there are so many more people in poverty than there were four yeasr ago? How many jobs might have been created from the obscene bonus's given to CEO's whether they succeed or fail? |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 10:36 AM | ||
| Dole |
That line about the rich constantly investing in new businessesis a laughable crock of shit. Quote:
classicI personally think its just fucking staggering that anyone could think it was a good idea to vote for Bush. Completely mind-fuckingly staggering. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 10:31 AM | ||
| FS |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 10:03 AM | ||
| Helm |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 09:44 AM | ||
| sspadowsky |
I'MA GET ME SOME RIMS AN' A BOOMIN' SYSTEM. 
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| Nov 4th, 2004 09:12 AM | ||
| glowbelly |
well i know for a fact that i definitely would not put that money in a savings or ira account for my child. no way. i'm poor and i want a couch. i don't want to take care of my family
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| Nov 4th, 2004 09:10 AM | ||
| Zhukov | What would YOU do with a big bag with '$' printed on it, then? | |
| Nov 4th, 2004 09:03 AM | ||
| FS | I think that's confusing poor people with poor cartoon characters. | |
| Nov 4th, 2004 08:52 AM | ||
| glowbelly |
yeah cause the first thing i would do with an extra grand laying around is buy a italian pink leather sofa 
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| Nov 4th, 2004 02:22 AM | ||
| Perndog |
Tax cuts for the rich = more willingness to invest = stronger markets = more jobs. The motivation is to offset the rampant bear market that has been due for a while now. Though I'm a little skeptical about how effective the effort will be. Hand a poor man an extra few thousand bucks, and he gets a nicer car. Hand a rich man an extra few million dollars, and he spends it all on a new business because he's already got enough money for himself. Dipping into the pockets of wealthy business owners wouldn't do anything for the government deficit. A hundred thousand dollars each taken from a hundred thousand rich people would just get swallowed up in the political machine and redistributed among slightly-less-wealthy contractors. At least cutting taxes for the wealthy has a *possibility* of leading to widespread positive effects. Taking money away from them just means giving it to more of the same people, and giving money to the lower classes just gives them an incentive to buy a couple more consumer luxuries. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 12:18 AM | ||
| Royal Tenenbaum |
"Im not a big fan of Bush but I think hes a better choice then kerry. Kerrys plans if you looked at them were goning to drive us further into debt also like with his health care plan which was going to cost us roughly 653 billion while W. plan only cost 90 billion. " 1. Kerry's plan would have cost more, but he would have taxed the top 5% of earners in the WAY THEY SHOULD BE! Unlike Bush, who will permentantly cut taxes for the RICHEST of the RICH, Kerry would have gotten some money out of them that they'd barely miss. 2. No matter what it'd be pretty damn hard to get any more in debt than what W has don. 3. You're an idiot. And you voted for Bush if you even voted. I can't believe people voted for that dick.  4. Thankfully, I'm Canadian. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 12:12 AM | ||
| Zbu Manowar |
Plus let's not forget the Republicans stand on shaky ground anyway. Most of them are rich and powerful and use religion to keep the more gullible of us in line with their way of thinking. It might come as quite a shock when those poor Republican supporters suddenly start getting draft notices in the mail and their religion and such can't save them from coming back from Iraq in a body bag. But regardless, it's all in Republican hands now. They're going to fuck it up pretty badly as they already have done and when it comes down to it, this might be one of those instances were a political party goes too far then self-destructs. Faith in the American System of Government was already low starting with the Vietnam War, today it just imploded. We have no reason to trust our government. So fuck it. I'm still betting that we're going to have something big happen that's going to take them all down a peg. It's the way the world works, really. Something bad happens just at the peak of their happiness. Only thing we can do is do our best, keep our asses covered, and fight for our own beliefs. Just more strongly now. Keep the faith. Not Christianity, however, if you're so dumb to believe that shit within politics today, you desperately need cyanide. |
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| Nov 4th, 2004 12:05 AM | ||
| Burger Lord |
I find it amusing that if you ask any republican about the economy, they will tell you it is rising, there are plenty of jobs and all of the talk of depression is just democrat lies meant to help move the election their way. And the very few repub. I have met (I'm in Georgia, there are many) that actually do come out and say "yes the economy is down" have a X-files conspiracy theory about how Clinton really caused the depression and we just did not notice until W was well into office. Actually these same poeple are capable of blaming Clinton for almost every disaster for the last few years. Violence, I believe any way, will not solve anything especially with the over-paranoid "there could be terrorists hiding anywhere" mindset overrunning this country. The massive amount of Bush votes shows how afraid most of the poeple really are since they seem to really not care at all how many jobs are lost, how many soldiers get bombed daily, or how many rights are taken away... as long as they are safe. |
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| Nov 3rd, 2004 11:03 PM | ||
| adeptninja | we are still better off then them | |
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