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| Sep 8th, 2005 09:48 PM | |||||||||
| mburbank | I liked you better when you weren't here. | ||||||||
| Sep 8th, 2005 07:26 PM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... |
That's because New Orleans is under MARTIAL LAW. And thinking that there would be no transitionary period is asinine. And even ignoring those two things, saying anarchy isn't working in New Orleans is like dropping a bomb on Hiroshima and saying "Anarchy did NOTHING for these people!!" |
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| Sep 8th, 2005 09:28 AM | |||||||||
| mburbank | Does it seem odd to anyone that OAO has no comments on how the free market is working out in New Orleans? | ||||||||
| Sep 8th, 2005 02:11 AM | |||||||||
| Spectre X |
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| Sep 7th, 2005 08:50 PM | |||||||||
| Pub Lover |
Dude, in anarcho-capitalism Public Displays of Affection stop irrational gang members in their tracks. Plus OAO doesn't go to poor places with gangs & such. |
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| Sep 7th, 2005 08:44 PM | |||||||||
| CaptainBubba |
When there is a free market gang members will no longer kill people for spilling ketchup on their shoe. It is proven science. For the record I'm libertarian, so I guess if anyone should side with OaO I should, but hes just waaayyy to sure about his scenarios being formulaic for me to side with him. Its insane to reduce human nature and something as complex as society to exacts. You cannot make claims like you do. You can argue they are likely, though doing so would be extremely difficult since as far as I know only one truly Libertarian/non warring anarchist society has ever been recorded and they were on a fucking island with a population of less than a thousand. Stick to philosophical arguments and you wont sound like so much of a sophomoric idealist but rather a pretentious intellectual faggot. |
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| Sep 7th, 2005 07:20 PM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... |
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| Sep 7th, 2005 01:38 PM | |||||||||
| Big Papa Goat | don't you get it? market based competition keeps all the different racketeers in line! | ||||||||
| Sep 7th, 2005 12:13 PM | |||||||||
| Emu |
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| Sep 7th, 2005 05:49 AM | |||||||||
| Cybernetico | This is fucking hysterical. GG guys, remind me later I'll take you all out for some steamed rhetoric. | ||||||||
| Sep 2nd, 2005 03:49 PM | |||||||||
| mburbank |
"My anarcho-primitivist friend and I were having a discussion" -OAO How is it possible that you can report this statement and not face the realization that you are a huge, rotting, beef anus? Seriously, I just hope there's a day out there when you are forced to actually read some of this stuff, maybe with your eyelids pinned open ala Clockwork Orange. I keep thinking that any instant your future self will come back in time and staple your lips shut out of shere anguish. |
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| Sep 2nd, 2005 02:30 PM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... | Everything can be taken as a joke, even if you believe in it quite seriously. | ||||||||
| Sep 2nd, 2005 01:57 PM | |||||||||
| ziggytrix | wow, that last remark actually looked like you acknowledging anarcho-capitalism is a joke. | ||||||||
| Sep 2nd, 2005 12:54 PM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... |
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2) Just because they might have franchises doesn't indicate that they might form monopolies, and even if they did, only monopolies who maintain that position through coercion are illegitimate. Quote:
We're also going to market this as a MMORPG. |
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| Sep 2nd, 2005 03:23 AM | |||||||||
| Big Papa Goat |
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| Sep 1st, 2005 08:37 PM | |||||||||
| Emu |
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| Sep 1st, 2005 04:21 PM | |||||||||
| mburbank | Seriously, that's a major shame. You can't imagine my disapointment. I'm waiting with baited breath to skim another boatload of steamed rhetoric. | ||||||||
| Sep 1st, 2005 03:30 PM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... |
Actually, I've switched back to foil as my primary weapon. Choj and burb, I'll get back to this tomorrow-ish, most likely I won't have time today. |
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| Sep 1st, 2005 01:11 PM | |||||||||
| mburbank | There's a really great experimental anarchy going on right now in New Orleans. They're practically crying out for a clove smoking, epee wielding make out artist to lead them. I wish you get down there. | ||||||||
| Sep 1st, 2005 01:24 AM | |||||||||
| Chojin |
Monopolies would form and someone would come out dominant, and they would become dictator. Human nature is what it is, and your society couldn't exist with it as an x factor. Money is a controlling force for people only because it commands power. People who wanted more power would hang out with like-minded individuals and get said power whether it was immediately 'profitable' (which it would be anyway) or not. Further, why would you need to get a bank loan to start an army? That's retarded, did the US get a bank loan to fight the revolutionary war? The civil war? All you need are material resources, time, and people on your side. Even assuming that everyone magically started from zero with no resources, it isn't exactly hard to make a gun or bullets. This society would have the most hit-and-runs ever. People would just loot someplace then run to the next town, where they're no longer a criminal. Unless your Public Displays of Affection had franchises. In which case, they'd begin to form monopolies. Ipso facto rectum. Obligatory insult. |
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| Sep 1st, 2005 12:47 AM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... |
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| Aug 31st, 2005 08:08 PM | |||||||||
| Big Papa Goat |
Armed groups don't take voluntary payments from their clients. Assuming the PDA's are better armed then their clients, (making them as much like armies as anything) their clients will have no choice but to a) pay them b) violently neutralize them, either on their own, or with the help of a new PDA (for those playing the home game, thats what we call a state of war) or c) be robbed by them. And as for an armed populace, why then the PDA's at all? And what if a serial killer is a paying customer? Couldn't criminals of any kind be paying customers? Wouldn't it be unprofitable for a PDA to prosecute its own customers? Wouldn't criminals neccesarily hire their own PDA's? And without laws (don't go all Hobbes on me here on this point now) wouldn't every competing company have a PDA to look out for its own interests? Ya, it wouldn't really be that profitable, but it would be the rational choice for a given group with its own interests to have its own armed group to look out for those interests. I mean, why would you choose to work under the same rules as people you are in competition with? At the end of the day, I guess I do want you to get all Hobbes on me, and carefully explain to me the differences between your views and those expressed in the Leviathin. (As an empirical aside, it may be noted that the development of modern market generally coincided with the development of the modern coercive state) |
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| Aug 31st, 2005 06:14 PM | |||||||||
| Sethomas |
I clearly gave you the benefit of assuming you were reasonably intelligent, but that you can spit that out and expect to be taken seriously? You're so naive that I'm going to be out of character and not format for a diereses over the i. And no, it's not an umlaut, so don't even be so stupid as to protest that. Look, not everyone wants to pay for an army. So if they don't have to pay for an army in an anarcho-capitalist system, they simply won't. This will piss off those who provide the service regardless of pay, since it's hard to keep the pillaging horde away from 5609 West Elm Street and not 5611 West Elm Street. So, bereft of any system that regulates arbitrarily, extortion would be inevitable. Ergo, you suck. SUCK SUCK SUCK. |
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| Aug 31st, 2005 05:43 PM | |||||||||
| The One and Only... |
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Now, you may counter that a private fractional-reserve bank might loan capital to a PDA engaging in war to be paid by interest. I'll put aside for a moment that fractional-reserve banking is considered fradulent by many anarcho-capitalists, since I don't share this view. One must consider the different circumstances under which "war" between PDAs would take place. Recall that since no territorial monopoly has been established, such an act of war would necessarily create conflicts with all other firms providing services in the area. The likelihood is, then, that those forces will create an alliance and eradicate the aggressing firm, for their combined capital is a far greater pool than that of the rogue PDA. In addition, what bank would ever loan capital to such an aggressive firm in the first place, for what assurance would said bank have of being repayed without any outside enforcement? At best, such arrangements would have to be short-term and with high interest, and the spoils of war could hardly be able to cover all liabilities in adequate time; for the beginnings of the State is that of marauders who realized that, if they kept their conquered peoples alive instead of just killing them and taking their possessions, they would ultimately profit more in the long run. |
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| Aug 31st, 2005 03:20 PM | |||||||||
| mburbank |
The most fun part is, they don't even have the life experience to understand that practical and theoretical are different worlds. This is where Neo Cons come from. But even in that arena I think OAO will prove to be a small fry. He won't know it though. |
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