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| Apr 23rd, 2003 11:13 AM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 09:23 AM | ||
| mburbank |
I also know that only God knows which is which. I don't think it's up to us to decide what is murder and what is killing. Is so called 'collateral damage' murder or killing? God knows, not us. If you shoot a prowler in your home, murder or killing? God's call and you can hope he sides with you, but you don't know. The death penalty? God knows. What if a policeman shoots someone he THOUGHT was armed but wasn't? God knows, not us. Concidering this, it would be wise to err on the side of caution when taking lives. |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 02:29 AM | ||
| Sethomas | I checked an online translator. There is an old Hebrew word that can work for both "kill" and "murder", which is what was probably used. There is also a word that only means "murder". Perhaps Triple X knows which one is used, but I suspect it's "kill". | |
| Apr 23rd, 2003 01:59 AM | ||
| Protoclown |
Actually, Skullhead, it's been pretty well agreed upon that the translation of that leaves something to be desired and it originally DOES state "Thou shalt not murder". Even so, Vibecrew's point still stands. In fact, her entire point HINGES upon the all-too-often arbitrary distinction between "killing" someone and "murdering" them. But I thought I would clear you up on that before VinceZeb breaks out in hives and uses his explanation of the translation to you as an excuse to avoid the REAL issue being brought up here by Vibe. |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 01:57 AM | ||
| Sethomas | I'd have to check, but I think that's closer to number five. In the Exodus version, at least. | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 11:37 PM | ||
| Skulhedface |
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Ahem... you were saying? |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 10:45 PM | ||
| El Blanco | Its a physics theory that basically defines everything. I had a professor who kept telling us he was almost on it. | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 10:42 PM | ||
| Jeanette X | What's string theory? | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 06:52 PM | ||
| ziggytrix | So the Catholic Atheist angle is covered, but who's gonna speak up for the Catholic Buddhists? | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 05:47 PM | ||
| Sethomas |
"catholic atheists everywhere"  idiot. How is defense of evolution, string theory, or muslim culture in the interest of any catholic? I know enough Jews that are against the war to say that you don't defend any stance except those of extremist assholes, and it just so happens that you have a Judeo-Israeli flavor.Two points to consider: I didn't initiate any of the discussions related to Catholicism currently on the board, and I have an established reputation for posts that deal with much more than Catholicism. I'd be posting much less if it weren't for one Catholic that is tarnishing the image of his religion, and one Christian that is making all of Christendom seem to wreak of hypocrisy. You, however, speak in a very narrow-minded and predictable manner simply because that's all you're able to do. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 05:04 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx | oh look, big shock, there's sethomas talking in the interest of catholic atheists everywhere. | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 04:54 PM | ||
| Sethomas |
Parts of that I got from a letter sent out by my bishop, but it's been a long time. If you asked me if the bread and wine become flesh and blood, I would say "yes." But it takes more than a little rumination and semantics to determine what the nature of that flesh and blood is. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 03:57 PM | ||
| mburbank |
Seth... You're getting that from... where? I'm not neccesarily questioning it, I just never heard anyone go into that kind of detail regarding essence being 'sort of kind of close enough' and the digestive process removing the Christ. It all sounds rather heretical to me. And Jeanette. Try not to lay too many historical details on Vince. he only studied to be priest for two years. They may not have covered quickening. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 02:32 PM | ||
| Jeanette X |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 02:31 PM | ||
| Sethomas | Just to be fair, except in cases like the miracle of Lanciano, transubstantiation doesn't say the chemical composition has to change. It merely becomes the real essence and presence of Christ, thus comparable enough to flesh and blood that they can be called such. When it loses the chemical form of bread and wine in the digestive process, the presence of Christ is lost. | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 02:15 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
I'd hate to think that I had a little bit of Jesus stuck in my teeth ... and stop the hispanic jokes before they start. I'm on to you guys. 
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:24 PM | ||
| mburbank |
I imagine it would cease to be Flesh and Blood when you spit it out. As to a forensic examination of stomach contents, I think we can agree that the very miraculousness of the process could protect it from detection. I just wanted to know if he BELIEVED he was eating real flesh and blood, and happily he does. He apparently DOES NOT believe that Catholic doctrine holds the Romans and not the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus. But then, Vinces understanding of Catholic Dogma is pretty piss poor concidering he spent two years studying to be a priest. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:14 PM | ||
| FS |
So, if you'd spit out the wine and bread instead of swallowing it, would you have genetic material belonging to Jesus? Cause that would make cloning a lot more interesting. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:12 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
LOL This is exactly what I mean my pick and choose what is a sin and what isn't. Killing is killing. And as a side note. The Iraqi soldiers who have died in the war were in no way threatening any of the people who killed them. We went over there with the express purpose to kill people who were not threataning us in any way. We were the agressors. And what about the civillans....they weren't a threat either. See you are picking and choosing what sort of killing is a sin and what isn't. I could come up with justifications for abortion too. And what about sex before marriage? Or sex for anything other than procreation? You laugh at neo-paganism for being a build your own religion, but look where most of them learned it from. Even if not on a concious level. edit: 'cause I can spell most of the time.... |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:08 PM | ||
| Protoclown |
I have a question for you, Vince. Why won't you answer Burbank's question? |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:05 PM | ||
| VinceZeb | Vibe, you confusing murder with killing. Murder is the slaying of someone unjustly and without reason. God never said we could not kill someone, just not murder. If you kill someone trying to kill you and your family, that is fine. If you go out and shoot someone just because you want his chains, that is murder so that is wrong. | |
| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:02 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Catholics Zeb - So abortion is murder to a Catholic. Then what about killing someone in a war? |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 12:57 PM | ||
| mburbank |
Excellent! I have no problem with this holy cannibalism on a religous level, but personally I'd have a hard time swallowing real flesh and real blood. How do you feel about the official Vatican stance that the Romans (to whom you are related) killed jesus and not the Jews? |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 12:56 PM | ||
| Protoclown |
Do you believe in ghosts??? Or aliens??? Or submarine letters?? Cuz I don't believe any of those exist. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 12:55 PM | ||
| VinceZeb | Yes, I do, Max. I believe in it fully. | |
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