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Oct 24th, 2006 10:56 PM
Emu First we'll just have to earn enough points to get another man, and then send someone over the edge. If they appear behind us, we know it's true. If they die, they can just start over.
Oct 24th, 2006 10:51 PM
Sethomas What Ziggy described is one theory, but not the only one. I think if you represented the universe as a giant matrix, the Pac-Man/Asteroids system of going off the edge would make the most sense. That doesn't mean it's right, and it's one of those things that'll take a long time to figure out.
Oct 24th, 2006 08:13 PM
kahljorn so the universe is like an insideoutsideboy version of earth or something? I'm going to have to read that link
Oct 24th, 2006 08:02 PM
executioneer i think i'm in love w/ this thread

it's all hot and science-y
Oct 23rd, 2006 12:33 AM
ziggytrix The end of the universe is kinda like in Asteroids - when you go off one side of the screen you appear on the opposite side.

What good does that knowledge do us? Absolutely none! But it's fun to think that a waveform in 4 dimensional space is equivalent to a straight line in 4 dimensional space. No? Well thanks to Physics we learned the world is round, and now we know the universe is actually flat!

Like in Asteroids.

Physicists are nuts, I tell ya.


edit: sorry, that should have read "a waveform in 4 dimensional space is equivalent to a straight line in 3 dimensional space"
Oct 22nd, 2006 02:03 PM
Emu Go get yourself some marijuana and read this thread again, it'll all make sense after that.
Oct 22nd, 2006 01:36 PM
Sethomas No, there wouldn't be "empty space" because space is a property of the universe, and thus there would be no space outside of the universe. "The end of the universe" would just be an arbitrary point where spacetime begins to fold over on itself.
Oct 22nd, 2006 01:31 PM
Courage the Cowardly Dog I don't get it, how do you define "the end of the universe" and what could be there aside from empty space?
Oct 21st, 2006 01:12 PM
Sethomas A vacuum has to exist within space. There is no space beyond the universe.

I don't need to explain how spacetime can be folded to make a point that it happens. It just DOES happen, and we've seen it happen, and it's extremely reliable and in concord with the theoretical equations behind it.
Oct 21st, 2006 11:51 AM
kahljorn you guys haven't been l istening to me at all courage the answer to your question is god he grabbed space with his mighty hands and folded it in truth he was trying to make a giant airplane to fly around in but i think he gave up on it after the first fold like god gave up on humanity.
Oct 21st, 2006 11:03 AM
Courage the Cowardly Dog what do you think i was saying when I talked of a vaccuum? A vaccuum is the non existance of energy and matter. What do you think is out there where the blast radius of the big band hasn't spread yet? a lack of law and fairy gnomes?

Explain to me how for one second einstiens experiments bent anything mre then matter and energy. How was space and the universe as we know it folded?
Oct 21st, 2006 03:55 AM
Sethomas Anyone who calls parallel universes "extra dimensions" is a moron.

Yes, you can have "shape" without matter. Those issues with mathematics Einstein spoke of having problems with mostly referred to a unification of linear algebra with Riemannian geometry, if I remember correctly, and it all was to be applied to space itself. Not matter within space, just plain space.

Stephan Hawking is one of the sharpest minds in the world, but his opinions have often been wrong and his books for the masses aren't canon. Even as such, I think you demonstrate that you didn't understand a word of what he said, nor what has been said above in this thread.

There is no "vacuum" beyond the universe. There isn't anything, and in physics language to say that something exists beyond the universe is a non-statement. Either there's matter PARALLEL to our universe or there isn't, and that's a totally different subject. But to speak of somewhere "beyond" the universe is just crazy talk. You can't go in a straight line to the edge of the universe and then leave it because it's a self-contained system. Nobody agrees on what would happen, but it's generally agreed that the curvature of spacetime would either send you to the opposite end of the universe or put you in reverse motion.

And before you talk more gibberish of no curvature of spacetime, it was proven precisely as calculated IN FUCKING 1915. The sun's gravity in an eclipse bent the stellar light, and photons aren't electromagnetically charged and contain no mass. (Yes, they are units of electromagnetic force, but they have no positive or negative charge associations). The fact that light beams can be bent is proof of spacetime curvature, as is the uneliptical orbit of Mercury.
Oct 20th, 2006 09:50 PM
Courage the Cowardly Dog I meant the multi universe theory which is commonly called "another dimension" and i hear this all to often with time theory and i really hate it.

I've read every stephen hawking book forward and backwards and I can't get behind the other dimension in the super mario bros movie sense. If you mean sub atomic particles below even quarks and the origin of matter I am VERY MUCH looking forward to this but I don't see how folding the universe makes it a parrellel dmension. Shape cannot exist in a vaccuum without matter and a container, the only thing that can have shape is the universe that contains matter and energy as far as the bang has spread it.

A vaccuum is what is beyond it, and vaccuums are void and nothingness and shapeless if it has no container. Light and energy can fold even time can slow and speed up although not bend or reverse, but i don't see how existance as a non physical plane can be bent.

Now let me get out my thinking grenades.




You can fold matter and energy all you want you aren't getting an episode of Sliders.
Oct 20th, 2006 07:21 PM
kahljorn "Talk about material existence in these extra dimensions is all speculation, and to me, the thought of people living in these dimensions is pure fiction."

What about god, the bright fuzzy guy with a beard. Clearly surviving in vacuum or whatever for billions of years means people can survive in these "Extra Dimensions" right? I mean maybe we don't even need space suits in outer space. Why doesn't science consider important things like this???
Oct 20th, 2006 04:11 PM
Grislygus How DARE you even ask. Of course I've read it.
Oct 20th, 2006 12:24 PM
executioneer christ haven't you people read a wrinkle in time
Oct 20th, 2006 11:23 AM
ziggytrix "I think the multidimension theory is asanine"

I'm curious just how much you understand about multidimensional theory. Did you read Seth's post?

It doesn't necessarily mean "parallel universes" or anything like that.

Think of it in terms of a flat sheet of paper. Now fold it in half. In the two-dimensional representation of the paper, nothing has changed. To draw a line from one edge to the other, you still have to go the same distance. In fact, you could fold the paper up like a piece of oragami, and every point in the paper still has the same neighboring points in it's two-dimensional representation.

But consider that same folded paper in 3-dimensions and you have all sorts of points that are now adjacent that were not in a 2-dimensional representation.

As I understand it, when these guys talk about the shape of the universe, they're talking about n-dimensional (where n is greater than 3) representations of the universe that may be applicable only to sub-atomic particles.

Talk about material existence in these extra dimensions is all speculation, and to me, the thought of people living in these dimensions is pure fiction.
Oct 19th, 2006 11:05 PM
Preechr Science is just the process of us finding and destroying God.

We can't help it, and I think it's overall a good thing.
Oct 19th, 2006 10:46 PM
Courage the Cowardly Dog First of all this IS the plot to the SUper Mario Bros movie if I recall, so lookout for turtles kidnapping princesses, and plumbers riding raptors next year.

I think the multidimension theory is asanine but I'm curious as to how they plan on replicating the bang. We aren't really sure what caused the matter in the beginning to explode or if it just looks and behave like it exploded that's why we call it a theory cause we have gaps in it so much that we can't prove it.... yet.

Hopefully this will clear up some things.

Is the sum total of mass and energy in the universe REALLY constant? What did matter consist of BEFOR the big band? Can matter be created or just destroyed? Will Rog by Courage a hamburger?

these questions and more will be answered ... RIGHT NOW!

yes, nuetrons, just destroyed, and no.
Oct 7th, 2006 04:45 AM
kahljorn "The origin of matter is THE question, right beside the unification of the four forces of nature, that is fucking over everyones minds in the higher eschelons."

What are the four forces of nature??
lol nevermind they ended up being exactly what I thought they would be.. an explanation of the two that aren't common knowledge would be nice, though. I've never read much of steven hawking or any other physicists writins (or none on actual physics, anyway) . I even have a copy of brian greene waiting to be read..
Oct 7th, 2006 01:05 AM
Sethomas It really frustrates me that so many physicists take the multiverse idea seriously. It's such an odd, off-the-wall explanation for quantum probability that people eat it up just for its weirdness. Whenever string theory or any other purported Theory of Everything sees a place where alternate universes could serve a function, they throw it in like it's a viable idea even though it takes the origin of matter as a negligible variable.

I'm not even convinced either way that multiverses are existent or not, but even with CERN I doubt it'll see a disprovable hypothesis in our lifetime. Hence, talking about it seriously is pretty worthless at this stage. As theapportioner pointed out to me, the attention garnered by string theory itself is causing a lot of practical physicists to lose patience, and talking about invisible universes centuries away from any form of proof or disproof only exacerbates matters.

Mostly, I see the multiverse theory as a grave physicists are digging for themselves. The origin of matter is THE question, right beside the unification of the four forces of nature, that is fucking over everyones minds in the higher eschelons. To completely write off the subject and say that a new universe forms every time there's a 50/50 chance that you fart just to accomodate each possibility, is quite akin to slapping the real world in the face when you don't even have an arm to slap with.

"That would be an even bigger headline than the black holes. It could be that there is a whole new universe a millimetre away from our heads but at right-angles to the three dimensions that are here," Dr Cox said.

This line in particular pisses me off. Given that he seems to be a doctor of physics, I'm quite sure that he knows shit tons more on the subject than me. Still, what it seems to be is that he was given the prompt "talk about hidden dimensions and parallel universes and shit" and he threw in both in the same breath as if they have any similarity whatsoever. Talking about "the fifth dimension" like it's some place where people where pants on their heads is just 1950s pulp sci-fi talk that doesn't make a damn sliver of sense in real physics. Parallel universes are a material concept developed to rationalize the incompatibility of probabalistic physics with determinism. Extraneous dimensions are a mathematical construct to explain the vibrational patterns of energy filaments. Sure, they're both aspects of weird physics that are impossible to grasp or even verify right now, but comparing the two is like putting "Clerks" with "The Seventh Seal" because they're both black and white movies.
Oct 6th, 2006 11:35 PM
Yggdrasill New dimensions? I wonder if we would be the good universe or the evil one.

Either way I will kick my ass and this universe shall reign supreme.
Oct 6th, 2006 11:02 PM
Chojin
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Dr Cox dismissed worries that by adventuring into the unknown and creating tiny black holes, the machine could even destroy the planet.

"The probability is at the level of 10 to the minus 40," he said.
this is like something you'd read in a comic book
Oct 6th, 2006 09:37 PM
Courage the Cowardly Dog MORE EXPLODING BABIES!
Oct 6th, 2006 08:09 AM
FartinMowler I love watching NOVA when they talk about cool stuff like this, I can't believe you guy's crumpled it up and threw in the waste basket
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