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| Apr 23rd, 2003 12:53 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Hmmm Very interesting.......I must look into this. |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 12:32 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 12:28 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Wow Okay Kelly....now I am weirded out. You are the second person to bring up that book on this board and like the fifth or sixth who has brought it up to me. Generally I stay away from any "Zen and the art of" books as they tend to be some wierd bastardized concepts of Zen. But now I am intrigued as to why so many people have read this particular one. |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 12:03 PM | ||
| glowbelly |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 11:38 AM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 11:33 AM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 23rd, 2003 09:17 AM | ||
| mburbank | Except for Riddlin which should be over the counter and eaten like Pez. | |
| Apr 23rd, 2003 02:23 AM | ||
| ziggytrix |
I think there is clearly a point at which one says "enough". It's the point at which you begin to destroy yourself. Moderation and responsibility are the keys to knowing that point. Drugs are not for children. |
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:02 PM | ||
| Protoclown |
I'm not sure it's that you were unclear so much as I probably just missed the point. 
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| Apr 22nd, 2003 01:00 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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:chuckle I guess that it's having multiple layers is part of what makes it a good movie. Both Vibe and myself were both using the movie to make a certain point but were both on completely different tangents. I guess that I could have made my point more clearly but I thought that I was going along the same track that Vibe was. :/ I guess I got derailed ... the mind's a fractal thing as well.
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| Apr 21st, 2003 05:59 PM | ||
| Protoclown | I've seen "Pi", Kelly. I just didn't see how your post related to the movie. Didn't see the point you were trying to make. Right! Carry on then! | |
| Apr 21st, 2003 02:47 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Pi Kelly - I was reffering to a subplot of the movie. Max has inate ability to see everything in the world mathmatically. There is a scene where he is looking at the trees and sees them as a fractal. |
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| Apr 21st, 2003 01:37 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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The film follows Max, a brilliant but troubled soul who crunches numbers to predict the order of nature. He follows the stock market religiously, not for financial gain but to prove there is a predictable order to the system. Max's reclusive lifestyle and antisocial behavior keeps almost everyone away, and his only friend is a former teacher, Sol. In his search for a predictable order to the universe, Max stumbles across a 216-digit number that some Jewish scholars believe is the name of God. Sol warns Max to forget what he saw and concentrate on other pursuits, but his discovery becomes an obsession that could destroy him. Besides the Jewish community pursuing him for his discovery, a Wall Street analysis firm relentlessly chases Max for his accurate stock market predictions. Between the two, the reclusive Max is forced into the public eye and to the brink of insanity. My point is that certain pursuits render themselves meaningless after a while when they lead to just plain obsession with no practical benefits forthcoming. What practical purpose does it serve using drugs to chase the "art rainbow", so to speak, when no one understands your meaning or even to point where your art is not even aesthetically pleasing anymore but just plain disturbing, disgusting, or whatever. I'm just asking here. |
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| Apr 21st, 2003 12:49 PM | ||
| Protoclown | What the hell does that have to do with the movie "Pi"? | |
| Apr 21st, 2003 09:37 AM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 21st, 2003 12:55 AM | ||
| Protoclown |
Well, yes. Of course. At least for the first part. The second bit, it seems that you're half joking, but there's still a valid point you raise there. I do see the second example as a sign of personal weakness (and we all have those, so I'm not trying to sound as if I'm expressing disapproval here), but it's not something that has potentially serious and harmful consequences, unless one engages in that sort of behavior often enough for it to become a health issue. It's still a coping mechanism, however, though without the same immediate harming (and addictive, though one could get addicted to the behavior) potential. This really branches into a totally different discussion here, but running away from problems (by whatever method) is no good way to live. We're all guilty of it to some degree, I'm sure, but I think it's important to strive to better ourselves and overcome these types of things. I just can't even fathom the idea of going through life without trying to constantly improve myself. |
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| Apr 21st, 2003 12:37 AM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Drugs Proto, can I asume that also applys to people who abuse legal perscritpion drugs? Or eat themselves into oblivion in the bottom of a quart of cookie dough ice cream....... |
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| Apr 21st, 2003 12:22 AM | ||
| Protoclown |
Well, to be clear, it's not really an ethical matter to me so much as it is a matter of common sense and survival. I personally don't see the wisdom in engaging in willfully self-destructive behavior, but you see people participating in it all the time. It seems rather counter-productive to survival (or continued well-being if you don't want to go that far) to purposely take drugs that harm your body, or debilitate you to the point that you cannot take care of or defend yourself under the influence. Frankly, I don't see the appeal. Never have, and probably never will. As for those other drugs that are doctor prescribed, the main difference as I see it is that those drugs are almost necessary for certain people to get by and function normally in day-to-day life. So in some cases, taking drugs IS conducive to their continued well-being. In other cases it's not (and some doctors seem all too eager to fill out a prescription as an 'easy fix' to ailments), but I suppose that depends on the individual situation. In my mind that is quite a different beast from people who take drugs recreationally for the express purpose of getting "fucked up beyond belief" or those who want to run away from whatever problems they have and take the drugs to forget or cope. Perhaps the term "crutches" isn't really the best to use here, since an actual crutch IS in all likelihood necessary for someone who has broken a leg to get around. Whereas when I speak of it in a drug sense, I am talking about almost quite the opposite...something that ISN'T necessary by any means, but is used as a means of avoiding the problem and running away. |
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| Apr 21st, 2003 12:04 AM | ||
| theapportioner | What about these drugs in relation to your ethics on illegal drugs, alcohol, and tobacco i.e. regarding them as crutches? | |
| Apr 21st, 2003 12:00 AM | ||
| Protoclown |
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There's no doubt that there are plenty of drugs out there that many people benefit from in medical use. |
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| Apr 20th, 2003 11:50 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Drugs For some people they are fantastic though the side effects are harsh. Prozac for me was worse than the depression it was supposed to fight. I'd also like to add that I wanted someone to talk too. Not a drug pusher who spent 15 min a month with me talking about nothing but how the dosage was working. |
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| Apr 20th, 2003 11:35 PM | ||
| theapportioner |
General question, tossed up for anyone to grab: What about drugs to treat depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia... Alzheimers? |
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| Apr 20th, 2003 10:36 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
. Combination of the 2 maybe? |
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| Apr 20th, 2003 10:33 PM | ||
| Protoclown |
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| Apr 20th, 2003 09:54 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
Drugs That I agree with. |
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