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| Mar 16th, 2006 11:48 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
Don't worry, despite all appearances, I don't take anything you say seriously. Jericho is on the Israeli map. The IDF is an army from a soveriegn nation. They transfered prisoners out of a Palestinian facility to an Israeli one. These prisoners were convicted, and jailed under international monitor. The PA refused to comply with their own agreement. Israel followed a multi-nation agreement signed by the PA. "5 guys mob up with guns, start shooting, tell someone to come with them or die, and it isn't an abduction?" Yeah, sounds identical. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 10:11 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
OK, let's say it isn't you, but some kid living in Chicago or Dallas or New York City or any fucking urban area where crazier shit than that happens every week. Now can you take the analogy seriously? 5 guys mob up with guns, start shooting, tell someone to come with them or die, and it isn't an abduction? Maybe the guy's a crack dealer and one of these five guys just lost a little sister to this guy's product? Who knows, who cares. We're talking about the definition of the fucking word "abduct" not guilt or innocence. Jesus Christ, you say I'm talking out of my ass just cuz you don't like what I'm saying. I can't believe you took that bit about declaring war seriously. Fucking hell. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 07:52 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
Maybe you think I'm living in San Quentin... because you can't be serious with that analogy. "Just declare war" sounds like you really care about innocents. SEE GEGGY!? When you grow up, you'll still be able to talk out of your ass just like Pappa. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 07:33 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
The Arafat agreement said "you guys can come in with tanks and extract this guy if the neutral observers leave"?! WOW! I did not know that. If I broke into your house, heavily armed, shot a guy who looked like he might be reaching for a weapon, then asked one of your house guests to come with me, and they said "ok, ok, just don't shoot me" would you say it wasn't an abduction? They couldn't make a request of the Palestinian government, since they "won't deal with Hammas" but they could have gone before the UN, and at least pretended that the IDF doesn't have a divine right to drive their tanks wherever they like, whenever they like (and shoot or roll over anyone who gets in the way). So-called "targeted" killings kill innocents. I will complain when innocents are killed. Does my bleeding heart affect you one damn bit? Why do you care? You do realize, I'm not suggesting the proper response is violence against Israel, don't you? Maybe you don't. Maybe you think I think the terrorists are right to do what they do? I don't. My better suggestion? Just declare war and get it over with. Have fun killing each other, and may God have mercy on you all. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 04:19 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
Geggy - Do you still think Palestinian are identifiable by a Brown skin tone?! Yes, or no ? Ziggy - Yes, Israel acted in accordance to an agreement brokered with Arafat, 4 years ago. How is it an abduction? They surrendered. You never have been able to grasp this past some lame cycle of violence analogy. When Israel usues targeted killings, you complain. When Israel uses military power to take criminals into custody, you complain. Do you have a better suggestion aside from releasing these people back into Palestinian society? |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 04:02 PM | ||
| Geggy | you're kidding me, right? | |
| Mar 16th, 2006 03:27 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
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I have no problem with Israel taking custody of this asshole. I just wish it hadn't been in the form of a tank assault just a few minutes after the observers left. Right or wrong, resorting first to a military incursion and abduction - without even pretending to first go thru a halfway legitimate channel (or did they?) - is escalation, is it not? Do you not think some Palestinian asshole is gonna want to retaliate for this, and then the IDF will have to retaliate for that action, etc, etc, etc, until one of you xenophobic bastards does something that will get us all killed? And on Geggy's tangent, dude, why do you think you see a tattoo of a Star of David in that incredibly low resolution and very pixelated image? Do you think it might be the same reason Catholics see the Virgin Mary in various stains, bread molds, and assorted flora? |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 02:35 PM | ||
| ItalianStereotype | jesus christ geggy, fucking jesus christ. | |
| Mar 16th, 2006 12:47 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
Check out the Mossad agents posing as Hamas. Everybody knows Palestinians have DARK SKIN (and really great social programs for the kids!)         
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| Mar 16th, 2006 12:27 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
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The story isn't the problem. It's your perception of it that worries me. They took custody of a guy who organized the assasination of a cabinet member: Palestinian day workers, working at the King David Hotel shot the tourism minister in the head, and got out of Israel safely. It was an inside job, and holding the organizers accountable is a better option then cutting off Palestinians day labor entirely, no? They took custody of people who organized an arms deal: The large boat they captured contained a high level weapons, including long range missiles meant to hit Tel Aviv, and other locations within Israel's green line. Palestinian towns are stocked with high grade weaponry stashed in hospitals and schools. That's considered a war crime. The release of weapons smugglers, and assasins to Hamas would been an endangerment to all parties involved. Geggy - For the last fucking time, Palestinians come in various shades, including WHITE. Stop being such an ethnocentric white militia bigot. You see a Jewish star, I see a blurry medialion, probably a bullet. You got them with the sunglasses though. Who needs sunglasses in the desert? |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 12:11 PM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | I see chest hair. | |
| Mar 16th, 2006 12:00 PM | ||
| Geggy |
Hey look you're quoting me in your sig! =) Anyway why would a palestine wearing his true color have a tattoo of a star of David on his chest? Is it possible that he's wearing sunglasses to hide his blue eyes? And I thought all palestines' skin color are brown, so why is his hand so white-ish? Is it a mossad agent disguised as a palestine? Or maybe the picture could be photoshopped by a jew-hating white supremacist for all I know. My point is if it is indeedy a mossad disguised as a palestine "terrorist" then who are the real assholes here? |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 11:25 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 11:21 AM | ||
| Geggy | You're a fool, kevin, i feel sorry for you | |
| Mar 16th, 2006 11:17 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Were you cut out of the photo? | |
| Mar 16th, 2006 11:10 AM | ||
| Geggy |
Sort of off topic, but can anyone tell me what is wrong with this picture...
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| Mar 16th, 2006 11:04 AM | ||
| ziggytrix |
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Tell ya what - quit thinking you can read my mind, cuz i'm quite aware I can't read yours, cuz all I'm getting from your post is that you seem to think I don't care when someone blows someone else up unless the exploder is of a certain ethnicity and the explodee is of a certain other ethnicity. But I really don't give a fuck what color someone is when the shit goes down. Israel drove tanks into Palestinian territory and assaulted a Palestinian prison. Maybe their reason was fucking awesome. I didn't say one fuckin word about that. I'm just pointing and saying "hey, this situation is getting worse, not better". You tell me how Israel is safer because of this prison raid, and I'll apologize for posting this story. I'm of the opinion they just poked a hornet's nest. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 10:57 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
See, backup. When Israel gave back Gaza, it was under the pretense of a no tolerance policy. This week, they took these prisoners, they shut down an Islamic Jihad office in Bethlehem, and they've arrested a couple dozen wanted terrorists. These are counter-terrorism operations, in response to months of daily rocket attacks into the center of Israel, and fire bombings. The PLFP are openly threatening to assasinate another Cabinet Minister, and bragging that they have the ability to do so. The job of the monitors was to make sure those guys stayed in jail. The commitment was to Israel, with the expectation they would give a 2 week notice if they were going to leave. Israel went right in, so there must have been some advance tip off, though probably less then promised. These were the terms agreed to when Arafat demanded jurisdiction over these criminals, in Palestinian jails. The monitors left because they felt threatened. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 10:08 AM | ||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
This "escalation" came off of weeks of the U.S. and British negotiating to secure the prison. Both nations made it very clear that they'd leave if the prison wasn't made more secure, and they kept good on the promise. I'm not sure how I feel about Israel's actions here, because I think it may have been precisely what Hamas wanted. Say you'll let the criminals go, goad Israel, and bam!.....top story on the BBC. I know it put Israel in a tough position, and it's unacceptable for Hamas to just let terrorists walk free. And if I see one more story lead with "thus further undermining Abbas" I'm gonna go nuts. Abbas became irrelevant the moment Hamas took power. He has no power over them, and they will sink with that ship. |
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| Mar 16th, 2006 03:06 AM | ||
| davinxtk | ziggy, may i direct you to my crazy jew lecture? | |
| Mar 16th, 2006 01:04 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
Oh look, Geggy Sr. is back. No you're defining moral equivalency, and confused about the difference. It has nothing to do with equivalency when I ask you to show some interest in the Arab on Arab violence insead of focusing on Israeli on Arab violence, and it has everything to do with the fact that the greatest violence (or even injustice) against Arabs, and Palestinians is not at the hands of Israel. Hamas have stated that Israel's right to self defense is in and of itself an act of aggression. Is that what you're trying to say here? Are you really going to put in the effort to form some argument that Israel was being cruel and barbaric in taking custody of these prisoners? The multiple kidnappings, and other destruction as a response mean nothing to you? Talk about something you understand. Quote:
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| Mar 15th, 2006 10:47 PM | ||
| ziggytrix |
Double standards... you mean like always exusing one group's violence as a necessary act of self defense, and always calling another's violence cruel and barbaric? Man, I hate people who do that! |
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| Mar 15th, 2006 08:04 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx | No, I'm calling people out on their double standards. Tsk, tsk? | |
| Mar 15th, 2006 07:37 PM | ||
| ziggytrix | Are you morally equivocating again ABC? tst, tsk! | |
| Mar 15th, 2006 07:07 PM | ||
| Abcdxxxx | Yeah, Israelis are extreme. They drink energy drinks, and watch Extreme Championship Wrestling DvD's to get hyped up before negotiating the surrender of a most wanted criminal. More people get killed in the Middle East during a typical days protest over cartoons. It's not extreme when Arabs kill Arabs though is it? | |
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