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| Apr 4th, 2003 12:17 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 4th, 2003 11:53 AM | ||
| glowbelly | because it makes people like ror feel better when they can explain it away with technicalities. | |
| Apr 4th, 2003 11:41 AM | ||
| kellychaos |
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Aside from that, though, I have two questions. What would be the difference, with respect to the Geneva Convention, in the treatment of those under the noncombatant status (for example, the detainess in Gunatanmo Bay) and POWs captured in the Iraqi War. Shouldn't it be a blanket "zero tolerance" policy for all POWs. Why are we talking about "degrees of abuse" here like we're keeping score? |
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| Apr 4th, 2003 07:29 AM | ||
| FS |
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By raising your hand to ask a legitimate question, you cause his head to shake left and right, and if you press his belly, brown goo drips down his legs. Yeah! |
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| Apr 4th, 2003 12:07 AM | ||
| Abcdxxxx |
The thing that cheapens this whole "hey we broke the geneva convention too" debate is that a lot of the criticism coming from the treatment of detainees in Cuba was pretty damn petty. Not all, but a lot. Aside from the treatment of POWs the Iraqi army has also violatd the rights of their own people by storing weapons in schools, and hospitals, using human shields, hiding amongst civilians etc. |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 11:01 PM | ||
| AChimp |
When that kind of stuff happens in a hospital, it's called gynecology.  And are Americans going to repatriate wounded Iraqis that they capture? Uh huh... I thought so. What ye sow, so shall ye reap. 
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 09:50 PM | ||
| ranxer |
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the emperor truly has no clothes on, us squabbling over this is just what they depend on, we're spending 12k a second on this war and the sherriffs department is asking me for 20 bucks please help us in this time of need! i just gave 20 to the veterans group that called me. dammit smoke and mirrors with our people and our taxes. enjoy the show 
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 09:30 PM | ||
| Baalzamon |
yeah, and it was good answer too. I hadnt heard anything about rape. I wasnt too sure about exactly what should have happened, but I dont think the exact technicalities and "paper work" that should have gone on is really important, considering that she survived a mess that wasted most of her unit. The important thing in my opinion is that she is alive rather than simply having a bullet in her head, and I'm sure her parents would agree with me on that point. Now lets worry about the geneva conventions when it comes to her unit as a whole, and how the whole ambush, rape, execution style murder thing went on. Unfortunately in a war like this a group of crazy militants who are willing to fight untill the enemy bullets tear them to peices arent really too worried about the geneva conventions, and that unltimately will be ne of the biggest problems the U.S. faces in this war as well as the general war on terrorism. Now what i'd really like to know is why everyones so fucking surprised about US soldiers being mistreated by this enemy that is so desperately outnumbered and outgunned. |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 07:48 PM | ||
| The_Rorschach |
Wow. . .You can type, so I assume you can read. I already granted there were double standards present. I was answering Baal who asked what Geneva Convention articles were violated in the detention of PfC Lynch. You might have missed it, it was this question here: "Just a question, but the rest of her unit aside, what the hell did the Iraqi's do to mistreat Jessica Lynch?" Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up already. |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 07:38 PM | ||
| Jaeger S Meistersen |
Fuck your humble opinion Once again, rorsharch, you numbskull, you've missed the fucking point. It's not a matter of fucking degrees here. The point being made, rather eloquently and observently, by my good Mr. Spadowsky is not "we crossed the boundaries of the geneva convention 4 times, and they crossed it only 3, and blah blah blah." nobody here is denying that the mistreatment, however mild or severe, or PFC Lynch and/or her ample bosoms is a violation of the geneva convention. What is being discussed, and what your posts continually ignore is that the geneva convention is SUPPOSED TO BE a blanket set of rules stating something to the effect of "Any ignorant fuckwit what violates these earns a spanking from the ENTIRE U.N.!" The iraqis broke it and the whole of the american populace is crying out for the public televising of their U.N. Spanking, but when we violated them ourselves not only was the outcry PRACTICALLY null and void, but them what did cry out for the U.S. to get a U.N. spanking, but them what did got called "unamerican traitors" or "terrorist sympathisers". IT'S A DOUBLE FUCKING STANDARD, YOU DUMB WANKER! GET IT?! we're not saying the other half of the violations didn't occur, only that they're being given different press. the voice of equality lowers to a whisper in times of war. |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 07:13 PM | ||
| Anonymous |
It would be great if they made an 'American Patriots' line of action figures, and each would come with a terrorist. The holes in the terrorists' hands would be too big for their guns, so they'd always fall out. And they'd come with 'surrendering action.' I wish toy commercials were still like they were in the 80s so I could see an ad like that for these; Kid holding two terrorist figures wiggles them over a fallen figure while saying, "We've got you now, Miss Lynch!" Suddenly, an American flag comes into view as two white figures come zooming up over a hill in the Patriot Patroller. "Not so fast, towelbrains!" Both Iraqi figures, with a click of a button in their backs, throw their hands up. "Geneva THIS!" the boy exclaims, while Sgt. Villafane blasts one of the terrorists with a plastic missle from his bazooka. Then a girl comes into view and holds up the Lynch figure. "You boys get held up in traffic?" She smarmily quips, while high-fiving her friend. |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 07:13 PM | ||
| The_Rorschach |
Well, Baal, heard from a friend of mine that she had been raped repeatedly, and being me took it to heart and repeated it. The news hasn't confirmed anything of the sort, so I'll refrain from repeating anything that is mere rumour. In regards to how they broke the Geneva Convention, rape/toture/humiliation aside. . . Regardless of if they were treating her in a hospital, or not, they are in violation because a) they did not give the Red Cross access to her, and; b) they did not immediately repatriate her due to her injuries. Everyone there, and everyone up the chain of command, should be tried by an MOAB tribunal (referring of course to BLU-82), IMHO. FNC is reporting that nine bodies were found in the same compound as Pvt. Lynch, and until we know what condition their bodies were found in, this may be a further violation. |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 05:59 PM | ||
| FartinMowler | You Americans eat and poop bullets. God love Ya. | |
| Apr 3rd, 2003 05:22 PM | ||
| sspadowsky |
Heheh. No shit, man. She's gonna have her own cartoon show, breakfast cereal, bestselling autobiography, and talk show circuit tour by year's end. ________ Bmw M History |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 05:16 PM | ||
| Anonymous |
I want the Jessica Lynch action figure when it comes out  I hope it will have 'battle damage' action
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 03:48 PM | ||
| Baalzamon |
Just a question, but the rest of her unit aside, what the hell did the Iraqi's do to mistreat Jessica Lynch? Now I understand that some of the other people in her unit where executed or something, and they arenet really sure what happened, and yes that would be war crimes. What i dont get is, what war crime was committed agains Jessica Lynch specifically? From what I can tell, she was wounded in legitimate combat, and then promptly transfered to a hospital, as would be the proper thing to do. From the sounds of her injuries,(gunshot and stab wounds, broken bones) it sounds to me like the Iraqis did a great deal to save her life by putting her in a hospital, as she would have surely bled to death had they taken the time to torture and rape her first. So why have I heard screaming about war crimes in her case? |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 03:16 PM | ||
| The_Rorschach |
You're quite right Sspad, I did miss the point. . .And you're right, there is a double standard, and sadly, its one of many we live by here in the United States. Maybe people just put such a blind trust in the military, that they believe the right thing will be done. Or maybe they really just don't care, which is an attitude dangerous enough to have well earned the animity(sp?) we face today. I merely object to the comparison because, what was done to her is just wrong on so many levels the comparison seems to somejow justify or mitigate it, like, "Well, we are doing it too" you know? |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 03:10 PM | ||
| sspadowsky |
OK, you got caught up in your emotions. I understand that. But you missed the point entirely, Ror. The point has nothing to do with whether or not our troops tortured the Al-Qaeda dicks. Are we clear on this? The point is the double-standard. Amid rumors of mistreatment, many Americans say, "Who gives a fuck?" But when it's one of our troops, we expect our enemy to play by the GC rules. Got that? Quote:
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 03:03 PM | ||
| The_Rorschach |
Christ, look, comparing what was done to PfC Lynch, and the detainees at Guantanamo Bay is beyond apples and oranges. How did we break the Convention with the detainees? Well, firstly by not regarding them as prisoners of war. Which, arguably, they really weren't. They were terrorists, not soldiers. Detainees were held only by a roof and thus exposed to the elements 24 hours a day. Which, having been to Guantanamo during the summer, I would say is a kindness. The heat is humid, sticky and suffocating when you have too many people sharing an 8x8 cell. Especially if you're not used to it. Of course, there was also the photographic 'evidence' that we had tortured them, when in actuality, they were being transported with black hoods, earcaps and restraints. . .Hardly torture, not very comfortable, but not inhumane. Some detainees kept at the base, theoretically, could be tried by military commissions. Asked whether they would face the death penalty, Mr Rumsfeld was attacked for his glib reply of "Oh, sure" but as yet, none have been executed, or to my knowledge, even tried. Though they have been questioned. Allegations they were not fed and unable to practice their religon were shown to be fraudulent. . . Did I miss anything? |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 01:15 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
LOL Okay....I want a sexy Girls of the Military spread...... |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 12:55 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 12:20 PM | ||
| FS | She's everything Vince ever sought in a woman! Cute, armed to the teeth, able to leap exploding humvees in a single bounce. Too bad her ethnic background doesn't switch every week. | |
| Apr 3rd, 2003 12:14 PM | ||
| kellychaos |
I agree. That IS kind of sickening the way that they're using her. Apparently, it works though. Look at Vince. 
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 11:39 AM | ||
| Baalzamon |
The people respond to two things 1. A war hero to make them feel good about what the country is doing. 2. The brutality of the enemy to give moral justification to the cause and arouse public anger and war fervor. Jessica Lynch is the war hero, the 19 year old blond that everyone loves and will no doubt be painted in the best light possible and used as a tool to get public support. Not that her story isnt amazing, but it will be USED, extensively, and already has been. And the Iraqi treatment of her is a means to increase war fervor. After all, anyone who would hurt beautifull innocent Jessica Lynch the war hero who kicks iraqi ass and everyone loves, deserves the full wrath of the american military. On the other hand, people simply arent interested in anything that the U.S. might do wrong. Maybe they agree with it(the they hurt us so we'll hurt them attitude), and maybe it just isnt as interesting as bombs and death(such as all the fat juicy contracts being handed out right now). So of course the american media and government will do evrything it can to demonize the iraqis and hold themselves up at every turn. Its a matter of covering their asses as well as giving the people what they want: Ass kicking revenge for the sake of spreading freedom to the world! |
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| Apr 3rd, 2003 11:33 AM | ||
| kellychaos |
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