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Sep 15th, 2004 08:16 PM | ||||
executioneer | WINKY FORUM | |||
Sep 15th, 2004 04:47 PM | ||||
glowbelly | *sings carni a lullaby* | |||
Sep 15th, 2004 04:43 PM | ||||
Carnivore | Then I hold no animus towards you. | |||
Sep 15th, 2004 04:41 PM | ||||
Daphne |
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I also agree with what you said about withholding meat (sorry Drumming!). If you don't like it, don't work there, but don't do things like that. Off topic, I made my husband a steak for valentine's and he made me vegan fudge. It was like the gift of the magi |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:37 PM | ||||
Carnivore |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:34 PM | ||||
MLE |
as i said in my first post on the subject, you can certainly take the supplement, but it has to have a certain enzyme in your stomach for it to be processed, and that enzyme isn't there if a certain animal product (i'm not sure what) isn't eaten at the same time. some pill supplements do work, but it's because they have a form of that animal product in them, and strict vegans won't take it anyways. i certainly agree that b12 is the only known nutrient that's missing. also, i wouldn't worry too much about the b12 thing at the moment. if you end up with a deficiency, it can be turned around pretty easily. it's just a pain in the butt. it can take years to develop, or just a few months. it depends on the person. later on, i'm sure you're going to have to supplement your diet, but it can take years before the need arises. the article i posted is more for reference so you know you're getting what you need, and not trying to change your minds on anything. as i said before, i just want you all to be healthy. |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:34 PM | ||||
glowbelly |
nobody was bothering you. you came in here saying that you were bitchy or something because you were tired and attacked daphne for using a term that she believes in. you bothered yourself. so settle down and go take a nap. |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:32 PM | ||||
Carnivore |
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I really don't care if you're vegan. I consider it unnatural, but do what you want. Using terms like cruelty-free, however, implies that those who don't subscribe to a vegan lifestyle are cruel. And a vegan withholding meat from a non-vegan while working in a restaurant is basically forcing your beliefs on others. It would be like me dipping your tofu in pig fat. My life philosophy is that you can do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't adversely affect another person. You can smoke so long as I don't have to inhale it. You can be a religious extremist so long as you don't push your beliefs on me. You can own a dozen assault rifles so long as you don't shoot at me. You can be a vegan so long as I can continue to eat meat without being bothered. |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:25 PM | ||||
Daphne |
Thank you again, but here's a quote from the link you posted: Quote:
If a doctor told me I needed to eat eggs, then I would of course, but I'd prefer not to. I know lots of unhealthy vegans, too and I know unhealthy omnivores. It's *hard* to do a vegan diet, but it's not impossible. |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:17 PM | ||||
MLE |
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the "myths" it talks on are as follows: Meat consumption contributes to famine and depletes the Earth's natural resources. Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources. The body can convert omega-6 fatty acids into omega-3 fatty acids as it needs. The body's needs for vitamin A can be entirely obtained from plant foods. Meat-eaters have higher rates of heart and kidney disease, cancer, obesity and osteoporosis than vegetarians. Saturated fats cause heart disease and cancer, and low-fat, low-cholesterol diets are healthier for people. Vegetarians live longer and have more energy and endurance than meat-eaters. The "cave man" diet was low-fat and/or vegetarian. (i don't know where they got that myth, as i've never heard it.) Meat and saturated fat consumption have increased in the 20th century, with a corresponding increase in heart disease and cancer. Soy products are adequate substitutes for meat and dairy products. The human body is not designed for meat consumption. Eating animal flesh causes violent, aggressive behaviour in humans. Animal products contain numerous, harmful toxins. Eating meat or animal products is less "spiritual" than eating only plant foods. (same with this one) Eating animal foods is inhumane. this is a small summary that's at the bottom of the whole long thing. i tried to cut out the unneeded comments in the excerpt i took: Quote:
also, as a sort of disclaimer, i like all you girls, and i think you should be able to eat how you want to. the reason i'm posting this is to make sure you're informed while doing so. |
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Sep 15th, 2004 04:06 PM | ||||
Daphne |
Carnivore, I don't post in threads where you talk about eating meat and put you down, so why do you feel the need to be so pushy about your beliefs? You like meat, you eat it and that's great for you, but why do you care so much that other people don't? If we like animals, and choose not to eat them, it's just more for you, right? If there were no vegans, you'd have nothing to bitch about, so you should thank us |
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Sep 15th, 2004 03:10 PM | ||||
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Sep 15th, 2004 03:08 PM | ||||
Carnivore |
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Sep 15th, 2004 02:44 PM | ||||
Daphne |
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I just had a blood test, so we'll see about my iron etc when the results come back. I wish I could find a farm that treated their chickens well so I could eat eggs again. I've honestly thought about getting my own as a pet for that very reason :/ |
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Sep 15th, 2004 02:03 PM | ||||
Skulhedface |
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When I drive to work, a 20 minute drive, I pass by no less than 5 billboards asking me if I've found Jesus, that I will be burning in hell if I didn't, that I NEED to go to First Baptist Church right now and save myself! When I flip on the TV, I see no less than three local commercials every couple of hours telling me that this guy's taekwondo academy sets a religious example and discipline and that they are 'on fire for Jesus', or that Jesus wants me to buy Home Furniture's futons (and since they have Jesus' endorsement, to buy futons anywhere else is HERESY!) ...Surprisingly, for a state called "Sportsman's Paradise", which for some reason has more hunters per capita than almost any other state, I do know a surprising amount of people who've turned vegetarian, and my questioning of it only goes as far as to ask "Is it a dietary thing?", in which case the answers are almost universally affirmative. |
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Sep 15th, 2004 06:41 AM | ||||
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Sep 15th, 2004 05:51 AM | ||||
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On the internet it's a whole different story though. Someone only has to say "I'm a Christian" or in this case "I'm a vegan", and it might even be entirely on topic, but there's always a few ready to leap forward and treat the person like they need to apologize for the bad apples of their faith. They prod them into a corner with questions to, dependant on the situation, either prove that the Christian can't be a perfect Christian, or the vegan can't be a perfect vegan. I'm not saying that that's what everyone does, because there's been plenty of civilized exchange of information in this thread, and it's shown that people can ask normal questions to vegans. But some just have a knee-jerk reaction that makes them think "Oh. Vegan/Christian. (S)He's going to try to convert me. Better put my defenses up." |
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Sep 15th, 2004 02:12 AM | ||||
Anonymous | I'd have to concur. If you gave me less meat on my sandwich because of your own eating preferences, I'd have to hammer-punch you in the clavicle. | |||
Sep 15th, 2004 12:48 AM | ||||
Carnivore |
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Sep 15th, 2004 12:44 AM | ||||
MLE |
glowdear, this is more what i was thinking: http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/26/v...m_myths_02.htm as i said: the correct form of b12 cannot be absorbed without eating some sort of animal byproduct as well. i learned this from several teachers in my high school, and also researched it afterwards. it's probably the scariest myth out there in the vegan world, and scarier that close to no one knows it's a myth that you can still get b12 from veggies. i just want you girls to be healthy. i'm probably going to go back to semi-veg. i might go back to veg again afterwards, but i doubt it. i can't go more than three or so weeks without feeling tired. it's very difficult to work enough protein into my diet. if any of you girls have suggestions, PM ir IM me ;> i'd like to be able to be veg agan for a time. i enjoyed it. i felt a lot healthier without red meat, but then again, i love rare steak. there are some things that are just so hard of a decision. |
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Sep 14th, 2004 11:07 PM | ||||
Daphne |
Sorry to hear that Drumming, is there any way you could try eating more nuts/tofu if it's just protien you're lacking in? Still, better to listen to a doctor and be safe. It's not good if you're gettting sick |
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Sep 14th, 2004 10:10 PM | ||||
mubert |
MUBERT9: dont you like eat tofu or get soy or something to make up for the lack of protein? DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: yeah but my body is just being weird and i guess its not absorbing a lot of it MUBERT9: man that sucks fat indian infected balls DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: i have a high metabolism so it burns the protein fast so i need a lot more protein than the average joe DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: werd ;( MUBERT9: THATS THE PROBLEM MUBERT9: I DONT DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: its either drop the vegan thing, get sick, or get a fucking IV :-( MUBERT9: well, you might need to ingest some cow tit fluid DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: i dont think i can MUBERT9: hell thats what im gonna call it from now on MUBERT9: err DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: lol MUBERT9: lemme see DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: i think the only thing i might be able to handle is cheese :/ MUBERT9: doesnt fish have protein? DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: there is no way in hell im eating meat DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: i would throw up so bad MUBERT9: fish isnt that bad MUBERT9: is it? DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: i'd barf everywhere :/ MUBERT9: EVEN WITH SUSHI?! DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: yah DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: i've only eaten fish once in my life and it made me very sick MUBERT9: well, i know that eating about 40,000 unborn salmon fetuses DOES sound kinda barbaric MUBERT9: but hey DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: o_o MUBERT9: theyre yummy MUBERT9: im going to hell if gods a vegan MUBERT9: huh DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: lol MUBERT9: whatev im gonna go be a nerd and post this conversation to exploit you DIS LOCATEDSHLDR: ok |
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Sep 14th, 2004 10:09 PM | ||||
nothing4buddha | i might have to go back to being vegetarian the only thing i might be able to eat now is like cheese. milk/eggs just gross me out | |||
Sep 14th, 2004 10:06 PM | ||||
Anonymous |
EAT! EAT! RED DEAD MEAT! EAT! EAT! RED BLOOD MEAT! |
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Sep 14th, 2004 10:04 PM | ||||
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