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Dec 22nd, 2007 11:37 AM
Ninjavenom
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I finally broke down and read Wikipedia's bio on the Misfits. Previous research on other pages merely said "they broke up in '83, had a 10 year legal dispute and now there is the misfits again."

I guess they were always arguing in the last year or so, Danzig already had Samhain planned as a side project, and after getting a new drummer who was piss drunk at a show, Danzig annouced "This is the last time we play live". Then they broke up. I know i'm forgetting details.

However, I did read about Doyle and Danzig doing 30 minute Misfit sets before Danzig played. GODDAMN, I wish I knew. I may have actually left the house. I would actually PAY 20, maybe 25 dollars to see that.

I am an old Misfits fan, old enough to be horrified when I heard they "got back together" back in '95. I refused to listen to it. A few years later, I got into arguements with an acquaitance about the whole thing. He claimed Jerry Only had a full legal right to the lyrics of the songs as he "wrote most of them". My position was, and still is, if you actually read the lyrics to Misfits, Samhain, and Danzig, there is a certain style to them. I can not cite examples but it's just the way things are worded. That style of wording is prevalent in all three bands. So, to me, it seems apparent that Danzig wrote MOST of the words. Maybe he got some ideas from Jerry Only, Eerie Von, Lyle Preslar, Brian Baker, London May, John Christ, Doyle, Robo, or Chuck Biscuits... I don't know, I wasn't there.

But it seems to me Danzig created the Misfits and i'd rather pay maybe 27.50 for a chance to see Danzig and Doyle do some old Misfit songs than I would to pay 27.50 to put a Jerry Only action figure on layaway.

I'm going to start a new thread as I have other things to say that's not directly (or remotely) related to the Misfits.

Danzing wrote the lyrics, and probably came up with the less monster-related song ideas, but jerry only wrote most of the actual music himself.
Dec 12th, 2007 10:36 PM
Sacks Yeah but no one knows/cares about them.
Dec 12th, 2007 08:16 PM
JediScum There's actually a band called "Jerry's Kids" from the 80's. I'm not really sure what they are like, though.
Dec 11th, 2007 06:28 PM
Sacks I like to call them Jerry's Kids.
Dec 11th, 2007 06:23 PM
JediScum sorry, Sacks... "The Jerry Only Band"
Dec 11th, 2007 04:31 PM
Sacks lol 'the misfits' lololol
Dec 11th, 2007 09:28 AM
JediScum Huh. I guess The Misfits played my town last weekend. I think the show may have been cheap too, like 15 bucks or something.
Nov 20th, 2007 01:04 PM
noob3 I'm not sure what your cat or your dick looks like, but I can assure you that they are both hideously deformed.
Nov 20th, 2007 11:51 AM
JediScum Noob, how come yo kitty cat got a limp dick on it forehead?
Nov 20th, 2007 11:33 AM
noob3 please don't. go to some board where.. people care. yeah.
Nov 19th, 2007 09:04 PM
JediScum I finally broke down and read Wikipedia's bio on the Misfits. Previous research on other pages merely said "they broke up in '83, had a 10 year legal dispute and now there is the misfits again."

I guess they were always arguing in the last year or so, Danzig already had Samhain planned as a side project, and after getting a new drummer who was piss drunk at a show, Danzig annouced "This is the last time we play live". Then they broke up. I know i'm forgetting details.

However, I did read about Doyle and Danzig doing 30 minute Misfit sets before Danzig played. GODDAMN, I wish I knew. I may have actually left the house. I would actually PAY 20, maybe 25 dollars to see that.

I am an old Misfits fan, old enough to be horrified when I heard they "got back together" back in '95. I refused to listen to it. A few years later, I got into arguements with an acquaitance about the whole thing. He claimed Jerry Only had a full legal right to the lyrics of the songs as he "wrote most of them". My position was, and still is, if you actually read the lyrics to Misfits, Samhain, and Danzig, there is a certain style to them. I can not cite examples but it's just the way things are worded. That style of wording is prevalent in all three bands. So, to me, it seems apparent that Danzig wrote MOST of the words. Maybe he got some ideas from Jerry Only, Eerie Von, Lyle Preslar, Brian Baker, London May, John Christ, Doyle, Robo, or Chuck Biscuits... I don't know, I wasn't there.

But it seems to me Danzig created the Misfits and i'd rather pay maybe 27.50 for a chance to see Danzig and Doyle do some old Misfit songs than I would to pay 27.50 to put a Jerry Only action figure on layaway.

I'm going to start a new thread as I have other things to say that's not directly (or remotely) related to the Misfits.
Nov 18th, 2007 07:29 PM
Sacks Doyle and Danzig have no problem with each other. Doyle played some old Misfits songs with Danzig on his last tour and Danzig is helping Doyle out with his new band Gorgeous Frankenstein which is shaping up to be fucking awesome.
Nov 17th, 2007 09:27 PM
Jomb I used to be straight, but then I took one look at noob3's little pink poofy anime things and knew I just had to have his ass.
Nov 17th, 2007 08:14 PM
noob3 you're gay
Nov 17th, 2007 07:26 PM
Jomb That explains why you felt the need to post in it noob
Nov 17th, 2007 06:09 PM
noob3 this thread is so gay
Nov 17th, 2007 05:59 PM
Jomb Eyelobe - How about no-wave? I like DNA. One of the things I like most about the early punk rock scene was that it was so diverse. There was a time when everything from Richard Helll & The Voidoids, Television, Pere Ubu, all the bands we've already mentioned, and even Talking Heads were sometimes seen as part of the punk scene. There was'nt a formula you had to use back then. Nowadays there is definitely a formula.

Jediscum - I saw that documentary to. I thought the Bad Brains had a particularly good showing on it, that early live footage of them was great.
I love Scratch Acid! That was a great band.

Sacks - You cant live by what 15 year olds are doing. The music and the live footage that remains speaks for itself. Nothing anybody can say or do can take away what GG Allin was. But he died just a few months to early. I wanted to see if he was actually going to go through with his ambition of committing suicide live on stage on Halloween.
Nov 17th, 2007 05:55 PM
JediScum I've read a lot of bands weren't in the American Hardcore doc simply because they didn't give permission. Still, it would be FAR better to have a whole documentary just about the Misfits, as they seemed to be a huge phenomenon in the underground at the time. I seriously doubt that you could get Danzig, Doyle and Jerry Only in the same room now, though.

I actually have respect for Ian MacKaye, though. I got the chance to interview him in 1992 and "straight edge" was mentioned. He almost came apart. Saying something like, "What the Hell does that word even mean? I know it was I song I wrote but other than that, it's been totally taken out of context." I don't blame him for "sXe", I blame kids who turn one song into a movement. Kids like that should have themselves a nice, tall glass of Jonestown brand Kool-Aid.

I never really got into GG Allin's music. So, I'm indifferent to him except that I still wouldn't fuck him, even if he had "a wisp of cotton candy framing a paper cut" vagina, as Bill Hicks says.

Actually, anyone know why Danzig split from the Misfits? I was always fuzzy on the idea.
Nov 17th, 2007 01:27 PM
Sacks The Misfits weren't 'hardcore', which is why they weren't featured in that doc. I don't think you can really put them in any documentary that isn't a THE MISFITS: THE MISDOCUMENTARY because there is so much shit going on with that band that you couldn't get just a blurb from anyone anyway, except for Doyle because I don't think he knows how to talk. Thank Ian McKaye for making hardcore that fruity straight-edge shit. I hate that guy so much that if hate was people I'd be China.

The problem with GG lies in the fact that he was not immortal. When he was alive it was horrifying and scared away the pretenders but as soon as he died and that good 10 year buffer passed all these joker 15 year old kids who need a new name to drop because their mom knows more about Sid Vicious than they do come out of the fucking cracks. He becomes what he was trying to destroy. If as soon as he was in the ground everyone burned all of his records and never spoke of him again except in dark closets and secret clubs that held listening parties where everyone drank whiskey and kicked each other in the mouth with motorcycle boots it would be fine, but this isn't a perfect world and there are terrible assholes running around.
Nov 17th, 2007 11:16 AM
JediScum
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How about "No Wave"? A lot of the good groups in the late 70s and early 80s preferred that one.
The term "hardcore" does seem to have been commandeered by a lot of East Coast bands, particularly ones who sing about this "straight edge" rubbish. But it wasn't always so.

I stumbled across a decent documentary at the library a couple months ago, called "American Hardcore: The History of American Punk 1980 -1986". It's not definitive as there are a lot bands missing (Dead Kennedys and Misfits to name a couple) but it tells an interesting story.

Punk already existed but, a few bands in LA termed themselves "hardcore" punk. People who attended shows would rampage in the club, breaking shit. Soon the bands would tour, spreading "hardcore" to places like San Francisco, Nevada, and the Pacific Northwest. Eventually, it got to the East Coast where it really caught on with the bands Agnostic Front, Slapshot and others.

The whole "straight edge" thing was inadvertantly created in the DC scene, where a few people were rebelling against the idea that you had to rebel by alcohol and drug use, as they had seen so many stadium rocker fans doing.

There's more in the doc, it's a good watch, especially if you like Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Flipper, Adolescents, 7 Seconds, Agnostic Front and TSOL.
Lots of little interviews, some with people you'd never expect like Moby, who claims he was the lead singer for Flipper for one day!

Good on ya, eyelobe! No Means No has been one of my favorite bands for 15 years.

Sacks, I wouldn't fuck GG with my worst enemy's dick. I'd prolly catch the AIDS just by looking at his corpse.

And how come there's no mention of The Meatmen? Great band! Big Boys, The Dicks,
Scratch Acid and The Crucifucks also deserve mentioning in a Misfits thread.
Nov 17th, 2007 03:50 AM
Eyelobe
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Sacks - GG is definitely not for everyone. Or even most people. Probably not for 95% of the people at least. But to me the man was a hero. There has never been such a shocking and hilarious frontman. He understood that rock music loses it's power when it's safe. He made it dangerous again for a short time.

Guitar Woman - I still have no idea which band or bands bored you to tears or if they were actually good punk rock or just posers or what. I've heard alot of so-called punk bands which bored me to tears to, but they were'nt the good stuff.

Eyelobe - When I think of hardcore, I'm thinking of a bunch of skinheads in New York with X's on their hands playing the same song over and over again, but maybe they just stole the term.
I'd go with all your recommendations and throw in Dead Kennedys, early Flipper, Minutemen, Crime, Testors, The Mentally Ill.....
You're absolutely right - the meathead idiots stole the term. Bad choice of words, maybe. How about "New Wave"? A lot of the good groups in the late 70s and early 80s preferred that one.

To add to this great list:

Minor Threat, The Exploited, DOA, Nomeansno, Fugazi...
Nov 17th, 2007 03:37 AM
Jomb Sacks - GG is definitely not for everyone. Or even most people. Probably not for 95% of the people at least. But to me the man was a hero. There has never been such a shocking and hilarious frontman. He understood that rock music loses it's power when it's safe. He made it dangerous again for a short time.

Guitar Woman - I still have no idea which band or bands bored you to tears or if they were actually good punk rock or just posers or what. I've heard alot of so-called punk bands which bored me to tears to, but they were'nt the good stuff.

Eyelobe - When I think of hardcore, I'm thinking of a bunch of skinheads in New York with X's on their hands playing the same song over and over again, but maybe they just stole the term.
I'd go with all your recommendations and throw in Dead Kennedys, early Flipper, Minutemen, Crime, Testors, The Mentally Ill.....
Nov 17th, 2007 02:07 AM
Eyelobe I recommend old Ramones, Clash, Black Flag, and maybe the Descendants (for that real pop-punk sound).

Remember, "Punk" started as a fashion statement - nothing has changed. We used to call the so-called "good shit" hardcore.
Nov 16th, 2007 11:41 PM
Guitar Woman The reason I don't like punk is because more often than not it bores me to tears
Nov 16th, 2007 08:56 PM
Sacks Fuck GG.
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