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Mar 20th, 2003 05:21 PM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach
But thats just speculation. Its evident now, if the reports are substantiated, that he was in material breach all the same.
Did he not come clean with this a few weeks ago in regards to the missiles already in breach? Are these missiles your justification for a war?

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm of the mind that you don't stockpile weapons for the fun of it. They are expensive and possess a short shelflife. A few decades and they become a waste of money. I have to assume he was going to use them at some point.
Look at how successful they were in 1991 (the SCUDS, I mean). Hell, look at how successful they were even TODAY. I think a dictator with a puny army in fact DOES stockpile weapons, what else does he have??? In fact, if he IS in breach of all we have accused him of, and he is thus showing defiance by using the SCUDs, why not bring 'em all out?? Hell, he's a goner, he knows it. Why not unleash the nukes and the other WMD...?
Mar 20th, 2003 05:16 PM
The_Rorschach Sure, weapon inspections might have turned them up. . .And they then they might. Hell, as long as we're considering it, if we hadn't gone to war, Saddam might never have even used them. He's gotten old, gained weight, and looked as though he was even becoming more docile - though still far from it.

But thats just speculation. Its evident now, if the reports are substantiated, that he was in material breach all the same. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm of the mind that you don't stockpile weapons for the fun of it. They are expensive and possess a short shelflife. A few decades and they become a waste of money. I have to assume he was going to use them at some point.
Mar 20th, 2003 05:08 PM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach
Kevin, we're not even a full 24 hours into this war. I'm sure you'll see more once he starts feeling backed into a corner. This is only the first in a series of bad things which are going to come to light, I'm almost sure of it.
I could say the same thing about inspections. South Africa was almost completely compliant with inspections, and even THOSE inspections took time. These token gesture inspections were given a few months, and were in fact given up on when things began to improve (as stated by Hans Blix).
Mar 20th, 2003 04:37 PM
The_Rorschach Oh oh! You must be thinking of Rain Man, only instead of Dustin Hoffman, we have George Bush right?

"Definitely war. Definitely, definitely war."
Mar 20th, 2003 04:34 PM
Bennett Where do we draw the line, and when does our military turn into a shitty Tom Cruise movie, and I'm not talking about Top Gun...
Mar 20th, 2003 04:28 PM
Anonymous No. It is merely the symptom of a much larger problem. What will you say as each suspected item is found over the next six months? "So, it's anthrax... where's the Sarin we said he had? Oh, there's the Sarin..... well... big deal... wheres the nukes?" I mean, come on, where do you draw the line. We were in there like 14 seconds and we already had proof of what we had suspected.

The problem lies in the facty that he refuses to cooperate. His refusal to cooperate demonstrates his intentions.

We have given the man every possible chance to disarm.
Mar 20th, 2003 04:27 PM
The_Rorschach Kevin, we're not even a full 24 hours into this war. I'm sure you'll see more once he starts feeling backed into a corner. This is only the first in a series of bad things which are going to come to light, I'm almost sure of it.
Mar 20th, 2003 04:24 PM
Bennett Sorry for getting it off topic...
commence shutting up :/
Mar 20th, 2003 04:21 PM
KevinTheOmnivore No. Sort of a tangent from the thread's purpose, but this is not a nuke, this is not bio-weaponry, this is not anthrax and nerve gas. This is yet another excuse to "shock and awe."
Mar 20th, 2003 04:19 PM
The_Rorschach Yes.
Mar 20th, 2003 04:14 PM
Bennett ...and you so obviously understood my post. Do you think that by bombing the living hell out of a country that is in violation of the U.N. resolutions is going to make any other insane meglomaniacs out there want to get rid of illegal weapons.

I understand what you are saying, "Look everybody, we were right, Saddam has illegal weapons, thanks for backing us up." But does that justify a war that could possibly make the situation worse?
Mar 20th, 2003 04:14 PM
KevinTheOmnivore What in his post implied a lack of understanding over SCUDs???
Mar 20th, 2003 04:14 PM
The_Rorschach Hard to believe some people don't think this is a big deal.

This is clear evidence that Hussein has failed to comply by UN regulations and that the UN is duty bound to seek a regime change in Iraq as a consequence, hence post ipso facto legitimizing the war.
Mar 20th, 2003 04:04 PM
Anonymous You're fucking retarded Bennett - if you don't understand the reference to SCUDS - LEAVE
Mar 20th, 2003 04:01 PM
Bennett You're making such a big deal about Saddam having SCUD missiles, while the U.S. sits on the biggest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction... Do you find it hard to understand, after we pre-emptively attack another nation unilaterally (sure folks are jumping on the boat now), why other nations are afraid of what they see as our Tyrant nation?

I'm not saying that what they are doing is justified, but our actions aren't either, and will only make other countries uncomfortable, and do nothing to remedy our international reputation.
Mar 20th, 2003 04:01 PM
KevinTheOmnivore
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Originally Posted by HNICPantitude
Funny, we discredited these rumors months ago, when previously accused .
Related to EU spying, or UN spying??? If the latter, when was the UN spying discredited?? You seem to be a fountain of well hidden information....


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I would imagine we will dispel these as well. See, in order to actually have ordered that, we would have had to care enough about these countries "approval," or what they thought or said in general, about what we have committed to do anyway. No one in socialist Europe will dictate our actions.
You're a fool if you think we don't take them into consideration. England and "us" wouldn't have invested so much time in displaying how rotten Hussein is if we didn't want their support, or at least their approval.

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Saddam Hussein is in violation of UN Resolution 1441[/quote]
Mar 20th, 2003 03:22 PM
Anonymous No - I believe that for some unknown reason, Bush was trying to get everyone to agree, which I also believe is a fruitless exercise. I applaud him for the effort, but all the same, disagree. I do not believe we need to answer to anyone.

Oh, and by the way.....

SADDAM HUSSEIN IS IN MATERIAL BREACH OF UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION 1441
Mar 20th, 2003 03:13 PM
mburbank I'm just trying to get you to clarify here, I'm pretty clear on what YOU think, my question is, do you think Bush was just bullshitting the world these last couple of months?

Becuase then we'd agree on something and that would be novel.
Mar 20th, 2003 03:06 PM
Anonymous I have ALWAYS said I couldn't understand why Bush waited so long. Be quick. Be decisive. Be relentless. This could have been over last year if we disregarded the farce organization called the UN. We have know what we know for a long enough time.

And... speaking of the UN....

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SADDAM HUSSEIN IS IN VIOLATION OF UN RESOLUTION 1441
Mar 20th, 2003 02:59 PM
mburbank So you agree that the last two months of 'diplomacy' were purely sham, a show put on for moronic future voters and fence sitting peaceniks?
Mar 20th, 2003 02:16 PM
Anonymous Funny, we discredited these rumors months ago, when previously accused . I would imagine we will dispel these as well. See, in order to actually have ordered that, we would have had to care enough about these countries "approval," or what they thought or said in general, about what we have committed to do anyway. No one in socialist Europe will dictate our actions.

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Saddam Hussein is in violation of UN Resolution 1441
Mar 20th, 2003 01:42 PM
FS
Mar 20th, 2003 12:56 PM
KevinTheOmnivore Max, I hope some day you realize and learn that spying and deception aren't the wanted answer...but sometimes, sometimes....they are the BEST answer.
Mar 20th, 2003 11:45 AM
mburbank I hope this doesn't turn out to be Us. I'm so uncomfortable hating what America stands for.
Mar 19th, 2003 09:35 PM
AChimp I BET IT WAS THOSE DAMN RUSSKIES.
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