I don't understand why the developers chose Doki Doki Panic as a game to make in to Mario. I mean, they could have chosen a better platformer...

Do I like any good games? It never seems like it. :(

I heartily agree about SMB2 being the best NES Mario game

Chojin that Korean MMO you forced on me made my computer blue screen and loop the same nanosecond of the music over and over again to eternity

I TOLD YOU IT WOULD NOT WORK, WHY DO YOU NEVER LISTEN

Because the creator of Mario made it. In fact he had more to do with it than the japanese SMB2.

Fuck SMB2. It's the only Mario game I haven't beaten to date and it's because I can't.

SMB2 isn't so bad. A hard game would definitely be Battle Toads. The difficulty scales so quickly in that game, I'm surprised that there are kids who beat it when it was new. I tried, but the only way I could was with a game genie. Now, I still can't beat it without cheating, but I can at least get to the level with the giant sawblades chasing you on my own.

Battletoads is beatable without cheating if you know the right warps and have absolutely no life so you can spend as much time as possible memorizing everything you have to do in a level

Battletoads Arcade is a whole different ballgame, though, and a better game.

There's a cabinet for it down in an arcade by my family's vacation house, and every time me and my friend go down there I force him to play through it with me. >:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2udm8qSnhLs

oh snap :<

Hahahaha

Is yours fried? You haven't been online in about 36 days.

that is the second reason i haven't got a 360 yet

the first is lack of funds

nothing's been on the 360 that I wanted to play, really

at least, not anything that I wanted to play more than the stuff I've already got on Wii and PC.

S'aright.

I want the Ninjabread Man.

I think I'm going to skip the Xbox and get a 360, but it's still a bit pricey for me, there aren't enough 360 games I want, I want to avoid the Red Ring of Death, and last I checked not all the Xbox games I wanted to play were backwards compatable (Stranger's Wrath)

Ninjabread Man is quite possibly the lowest ranked game on Gamerakings.com.

So? It's the NINJABREAD MAN.

Is it just me, or is that same Gingerbread Man as in Shrek? They'll make a game out of anything these days...:eek

It's just you :rolleyes

Is....is that a real game...? I'm hoping for the dignity of mankind that it's not...

you think a game about a kung fu fighting cookie's crazy. Endless Ocean is a major trip, 'cause all you do is go scuba diving, plus what makes it so cool is that you can hang on to sharks (without being mangled).

two words: Katamari Darmacy.

Exactly what are you saying about Katamari Damacy?

Maybe before you answer I should warn you that I look like this:

Now that's the kind of cosplay I can respect.

god damn, Zombie Master is a fucking abomination

Zombie Panic is better. Although the new Source version doesn't seem quite as fun as the old HL version.

Also check out DIPRIP. It's a shooting-car-type-thingy mod for Source. It's really fun.

Fistful of Frags is even worse than Zombie Master was, I'm not trusting you anymore.

It's a little rough around the edges but has solid gameplay. It sounds stupid but it's one of those games which you need to get good at before it's really fun.
It's kind of like Battlegrounds in that none of the weapons are especially deadly but if you master them it suddenly gets good.

But I'm not convinced you actually like shooters, GW. So you may as well just go back to playing Runescape and uninstall Steam entirely.

Or this game just could be horrible

I got banned from the two halfway-active game servers for spamming My Chemical Romance, anyway, so it's not like I could still play if I wanted to.

DIPRIP looks like Twisted Metal or Auto Assault.

Dosent that game have about 18 servers?

Your video game sucks and you're an asshole >:

bonghitman are you a spambot or are you just an idiot

little of both, sir.

At least he doesn't jump on the bandwagon, poooooooseeeerrrrrr!

are you talking to juttin or to me

I don't even SEE a juttin, so it MUST be you.

in that case, what are you on about

WELL, if you've been paying attention, lately a lot of people have changed their avatars to really grainy emoticons, and I think you're a sellout.

dude this is my old avatar from like '03

i'm not bandwagon jumping i'm REMINISCING

whoops i rechecked it is probably more like '04

Then SOMEONE'S on the freaking bandwagon. I feel a rant starting.

Argue about video games this is not an emoticon avatar witchhunt >:

if we're on the bandwagon you're on the rag

hahahahah nice.

Everyone knows that the greatest video game ever created is: Home Improvement for the SNES.


Plot

The player guides Tim "The Toolman" Taylor in a quest to find some Binford power tools that have gone missing from the set of Tool Time.

Gameplay

The game plays like many other action/platform games of the time that were based on popular television shows or movies (like Virgin's The Lion King, which was also released in 1994.)

The player's weapons include modified tools such as a nail gun, a blowtorch (used as a flamethrower), and a chainsaw which inexplicably hurls energy waves.

These weapons are used to fight dinosaurs, acid-spewing mummies, robot sentries, and other enemies.

The game is broken down into 4 worlds of 4 levels, each world containing a boss level.

It is also worth noting that the game had no manual; its splash screen explained, “Real men don’t need instructions.”

that game actually is surprisingly fun

I fucking beat that game, maybe I should do a Let's Play of it :rolleyes

Better get Jamesman to do the commentary though, I can't do a Yoda impression.

Who can't tell the difference between grains & pixels? Fuckwits.

Dr. Octogonopus, you are a fuckwit.

:lol

Woah, T-Rex you need to lay off the god damn wiki links.

I just found out about Brutal Legend coming out 4th quarter of 2008. A Roadie is transported to Heavy Metal land(so I guess Norse Mythology mixed with epic metal), wields a battle axe and guitar. Can control various npcs to attack(similiar to the darkness, I believe) Worth mentioning that Lemmy and Rob Halford are doing voices in it. Doesn't look too bad, made by the same guy who brought you Secret of Monkey Island.

I still can't wait for Earth No More.

At least smoke doesn't affect my 360's laser.

I watched some video footage of the new Call Of Duty 4 maps. "Creek" looks awesome. The review said it's really big and open, ideal for sniping. Set in an out door environment, it was designed for the guillie suit.

man bart vs the space mutants is hard

Holy snap! I had no idea Halford was voicing in it. My interest has officially been peaked.

That screenshot reminds me of one of the arenas from that old Kids Gone Wild or whateveritwascalled gameshow on Nickelodeon.

wild & crazy kids

I don't understand how that could remind you of it.

I think they had a special episode once where they went to Orlando Studios and played some kind of paintballesque game. This is only a very vague memory since I was probably 4 or 5 when I saw it.

I was gonna say, all I remember about that show was green slime and elementary school PE games

i remember when they shot that black chick and replaced her with a white one

that show was black enough as it was

My favourite game, after all this time, is still Kid Icarus...

Unfortunately, my old codes don't work anymore with the Wii virtual console stuff... But I rarely used them anyways...

DOUBLE POST: I VANQUISH THEE!

Don't you find that games today, although really fun, aren't as easily picked up and played as older games are? Example, Co-op play: Contra VS Army Of Two. Anyone will be familiar with Contras concept and controls in about twenty seconds. AOT would require about 15-20 minutes to really get into it.

Like a wild west shootout I think.

They had one kid who got shot with paintballs and did some over the top fall to the ground.

So it seems like every first party Nintendo release is just a little more mediocre than the last one, which I then appreciate a whole lot more than when I first announced it's shittyness.

Example: I hated Twilight Princess when I first got it and was angry with Nintnedo for churning out such a mediocre pile of doodie after hyping it up the ass as the second coming. Then I played Mario Galaxy. I have since changed my mind about Twilight Princess and think that it is a really good game!

This either means that I'm disappointed easily and that I have to eat shit to realize how good a plate of brussel sprouts can be, or that my standards are being lowered ever so tenderly with each shitty new release. I'm not sure where I'm going with this but I can only think it spells doom for the future of good videogames

or something :<

Don't get me wrong, either, there are still fucking fantastic games like No More Heroes and PVK2 coming out these days, it just seems like there aren't nearly as many as there used to be.


Also before Zomboid comes in and jumps down my throat let me say that I'm using Nintendo as an example because the only new console I own is a Wii. I've only played a handful of games for the PS3 and Xbox Circle, all of which have been crappy to mildy fun, but probably still not enough to get a good idea of the general state of videogames. If I did I have a feeling I'd be saying about the same thing as a general analysis of the medium and not just complaining about Nintendo's aging design talent.

Or mabye I'm finally growing up and realizing that all videogames are completely stupid wastes of time anyway, I don't know

I read an article on MSN news that Nintendo is letting real gamers down because their main target is kids and casual gamers, basically. My girlfriend likes playing the Wii but won't jam on the 360. She enjoys watching me play games on 360 because she likes the story. She followed me playing Gears Of War like it was a tv series. I only play the Wii when there's other people around.

Which is the bigger & least tapped market?

wii Mythmakers kart== roommates got it and played one track- went back to store and bought steering wheels and disney cars. they refused to even touch mmskgp, so i got drunk and gave it a whir, unlocked all charachters and special but- FUCK that game c'mon mariokart!!

i miss xbox 360

also TETRIS BEST GAME OF ALL TIME

Well this depends, really. Kids and casual gamers will make up a larger number of people than the hard core. However, kids and casuals won't buy nearly as many titles or hardware as the hard core gamers. A hard core gamer is more likely to buy an Elite or custom Halo 360 than a casual gamer is. I think Nintendo is in a good position because they really understand the market they're in, but their titles have to be aimed at that market. Personally, I laugh a lot more when playing the Wii so it's my favourite console with company. Alone, I would say it's only 50% as good.

So your advice to GW is to get off the internet and make some real goddamn friends? :eek

Word.

big untapped market: the elderly. awhile back i'm playin cod3 on x360, and a couple of ww2 vets were "trying it out, reliving old times". they got slaughtered though.

personally i think someone gave the headsets to grandpa-
:hypno

Honest abe:

I think it's hard to say that Nintendo doesn't tap the hardcore market when it releases fanboy elitist shit like Super Smash Bros and Metroid Prime 3.

If you're talking about a sheer percentage of games that are rated M FOR MATURE, then, sure, I guess? Though I'd wager at least half of the "hardcore" franchises around these days are rated T.

Also the article damning nintendo was from MSN - Do you not know what the "MS" in MSN stands for?

Micro...soft?

As in the makers of the XBox 360??

do you guys remember that news story back from the 90s that said, basically, that nintendon't

or was it the late 80s i can't remember now

You've made our point, though. Nintendo appeals to hardcore Nintendo fans. Not the hardcore or even medium core people that buy generally good games.

Luckily, it looks like the 3rd-party stuff is starting to pick up a bit. Wiiware will definitely bring it up a bit.

And Microsoft appeals to hardcore Microsoft fans. Are you trying to say that Microsoft represents TRUE gaming, while Nintendo - who's been around longer than any of their competitors - doesn't?

Nintendo appeals more towards Nintendo fans with is barely-updated sequels (really, Zelda puzzles haven't advanced at all, Mario's still collecting stars, and the Pokemon games are all the same,) and now the more casual crowd. Obviously people outside of those groups play too, but in terms of focus, Nintendo's hell bent on their established franchises and casual gaming.

Those are the two biggest demographics in gaming, so I'd say Nintendo's fanbase represents the majority of gamers. I won't dare take a stab at guessing the ratio of the fanbases, but I'd say the majority definitely resides in Ninty's camp.

Also "hardcore gamer" is a such stupid term. It brings up images of fat, sweaty, hairy losers who go around all "Yea I'm a motherfucking hardcore gamer I totally game way harder than anyone else". Seriously now.



90's. lol advertising.

I'm not saying I just support Microsoft. I'm all for anybody that makes kick-ass games and Nintendo doesn't do that for me anymore. Microsoft Game Studios has been putting out a lot of cool stuff for me that I've really been getting into recently. And fuck that seniority bullshit. Whatever, so what if Microsoft wasn't the OG and it's a relatively young player. I'm not a really retro guy. I'm the generation that came after you. I grew up on the Playstation. But I also remember my Super Nintendo, I remember Mr. Do and Super Buster Bros. and Mario Kart and Star Fox and Super Mario World. I still love those games. But they are the past and I don't love them enough to care if they're all smashed together in some generic sport or fighting game. Yes, I like Mario Party 3. It holds memories for me. That game specifically, not any spinoffs or sequals, that game.

I've got no attachment to Metroid, though.

I don't think anybody represents true gaming right now. Microsoft's too young, Nintendo's forgotten what brought people to the table in the first place, and Sony? Well, they're lingering by a thread but still hanging on. I'll be interested to see what happens to them in the years to come. All we get now is mere glimpses of TRUE gaming. And I don't just mean the first and second party devs under console makers' wings, either. I'm talking fresh blood, third party developers. I think attention will shift to Indie Games (I hate that label.) Smaller, independent game developers given more money and more time.

That's not to say that there will only be independent developers in the future. If that was to be, then we'd be waiting forever for a game to be released and just grow impatient and lose interest. Not every game has to be a gem, but not every one has to purposely play down either.

Why can't people just look into a game that everyone can enjoy? Does it cost too much in money? Can one not hope to please that many?

Whatever. I'll just sit back and play my GTA IV and my No More Heroes and probably look back on these times fondly. In short, a nod to Microsoft, a "fuck you" to Nintendo, and a glance-over towards Sony.

You can't please everyone. You can go into the desert, find some stranded person, give them chocolate ice cream, and they'll tell you they don't like chocolate.

Also, it's not a "fuck you" to Nintendo if you're playing No More Heroes on their console. They have your munnies.

Also, the 360 needs some games that aren't shooters, racers, or Madden. Talk about appealing to a limited demographic.

So what - in your opinion - "brought people to the table in the first place"?

It would seem that that's the entire POINT of the Wii and DS.

PG - Can't disagree with much of what you're saying; Nintendo whores the hell out of its franchises -which appeal to the "hardcore" market - and somehow ends up branded as a kiddie game manufacturer. I just don't get it. Fathom - EITHER THEY MAKE KID GAMES OR THEY MAKE HARDCORE GAMES. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, SENATOR.

I damn well can. By "bring people to the table" I meant the new guys and stuff, of course. I also meant everybody else. Nintendo fans will buy Nintendo games, a given with anything. "Casual" gamers, and by that I mean not just the ones that play Peggle for hours, will buy anything that evidences a gimmick. What about the more discerning person than someone who will buy the colorful game that is not yet a Nintendo fan? I was this person a couple years ago.

I had a subscription to Game Informer, I looked at reviews, and I looked at gameplay videos and tried to decide which game to buy with which console. Albeit, I never had a Gamecube. I'm getting one in the near future. I would get a Wii, and I probably still will, but someone's giving it to me. I see some good games I want for it.

Regardless, if a million people stopped buying Mario Party 42, Nintendo would still be making money hand over fist. I don't give a flying fuck about Mario or Samus or Fox or Link anymore. WHERE'S THE NEW STUFF? Why rehash the same characters? It's nice to have a throwback every once in a while, but when your entire business is based on characters you've invented nigh on twenty years ago, well I just can't get behind you. Even if everyone else does.

I can't tell if you disagree with us or not.

Also, WiiSports, WiiFit, etc. is your new stuff. Enjoy playing videogames with your whole family (I know I am!)

And if I wanted to apply a technicality to your last statement, Fire Emblem doesn't recycle characters from 20 years ago, and neither does Advance Wars, even if the gameplay is similar. Also Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Mother, Pikmin, Elite Beat Agents, Excite Truck, Trace Memory, and Nintendogs, to name a few. Now toss in WiiSports, WiiFit, etc., etc. and compare it to Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Metroid, and Pokemon, and keep in mind that sequels from Camp Nintendo usually come out at least 3 years a part, and you'll realize that they're more balanced.

To quote my favorite behemoth, Reggie, who was asked if Nintendo's mystery winter blockbuster was Zelda:

I just don't think Nintendo is the fucking be-all-end-all of video games that people say the are. But neither is Microsoft nor Sony. Fan-boys disgust me more than anything else, more than rapists.

My whole family does not want to play Wii Fit. They don't get it. EBA isn't getting a sequal, Nintendogs is shit, Mother isn't going to come to America any time soon. Custom Robo is okay, but I played it before when it was called Virtual-On. Great game. I like Pikmin a lot. After the first Golden Sun, I kinda got bored of the second. Fantastic game that really pushes the GBA, though. I like Professor Layton. Games like this, though, seemed to get pushed over to the side while everyone crowds around the newest iteration of something else. I need third party developers with good new intellectual properties. Dead Rising, for instance. Great game and I'd like to see another.

I don't know. I guess nothing ever seems to jump out at me anymore. I've become disinterested in games, but I've come back later this year.

I'm telling you, WiiWare can bring me back.

By the by, No More Heroes is published by Ubisoft.

Really? Rapists are pretty bad.

I am really hooked on Army of 2 though. I haven't played a good two player game like that on a console since Doom Troopers. I've pretty much given up on videogames years ago since they stopped making rpgs that aren't mmo's.

I have that same feeling that Marty Mcfly gets in Back to the Future: 2, where he plays the western shooter arcade game in the future. Then some kids make fun of him because the game requires hands to play it.

Fathom - What does Ubisoft have to do with anything? They're a publisher. They weren't there when the game was being developed.

Also, you can say the exact same 'franchise rape' thing about ANY company's 1st-party titles. The reason Nintendo has so many of them is because they sell well. Nintendo also converts a lot of 3rd parties into 1st parties, so their "non-existent 3rd party support" exists partly because they buy successful 3rd parties. Are those 3rd parties no longer successful at that point? Microsoft and Sony try to do this too.

I'm also not saying that Nintendo is the be-all-end-all of video games, but I think they represent the direction the industry should be going if it doesn't want to continue losing customers year after year and eventually become irrelevant. Video games are about fun, and judging from the results you've seen so far with the Wii and DS, Nintendo is providing the bulk of that and not excluding everyone not in the MALE 18-25 demographic.

Also, you have the same idiot fanboys that drool over GTA 4, Madden 200X, and Halo 3 to blame for Smash Bros 9 and Mario Party 2023. That isn't a Nintendo problem. These people aren't "gamers" in the traditional sense, they're punk-ass kids who play maybe 3 games a year and rely on industry hype to tell them what everyone else will be playing. Nintendo traditionally doesn't hype games until they're already out, and even then they only do it to support their 1st party titles. Most 3rd parties - for whatever reason - won't spend the bread to market their Nintendo games to any successful degree. Microsoft and Sony will deign to pick up a large part of the marketing tab, and this is probably Nintendo's biggest error.

As for game informer, I suggest you read any other magazine if you'd like some actual Nintendo coverage. I've never seen a publication not formally associated with a brand be so unabashedly biased in my life.

Long post is looooong:

Delicious hyperbole, or whacked out priorities?

Great. That's relevant to my point (that Nintendo has other games besides the popular ones.)

I never said they were good or anything. I said they're not whored out franchises. Oi vey. As a side note, Custom Robo and Virtual-On are quite different. That's like comparing a hamburger with a hot dog; sure they're both processes meat between bread, but they're different. Also, Professor Layton is 3rd Party.

So you praise a copycat XBLA? I mean, I suck Nintycock, but even I know it's probably going to pale in comparison to what's already been offered for quite some time. Putting faith in WiiWare to be some sort of messiah is like putting faith in SEGA to make a good Sonic game. There might be a tiny glimmer of hope, but don't count on it. (inb4 Sonic debate).

By the way, what does that have to do with Nintendo franchises?

Also, Chojin hit the nail on the head about everything. Everyone franchise-rapes (Capcom, MOTHERFUCKING EA, Rockstar, SEGA, SquareEnix, etc.) At Nintendo's broadening the demographic so that not all gamers are associated with the same trash we see running their mouths on XBox Live.

EDIT: Well here's an article posted today that's of interest to the discussion.

Like Nintendo Power? :P

Y'see, that was sarcasm, as Nintendo Power would obviously cater towards enjoyers of Nintendo.

My argument is about games, not consoles. That's what I was getting at with the fact that it was published by Ubisoft.

I'm done here. Give yourselves a high-five. Companies can do what they will to make money. But if that means I don't like their shit, then they're just not going to get anymore money from me. Nor will I give them any props or something like that for being successful.

::high fives Chojin::

It doesn't really matter any way you slice it. You're just looking at this as half-empty. Besides, I don't think you even looked at half the points made.

Your points are gay.

Chojin, when are you gonna review Battle of the Bands for ErickandEmily?

Also xbox and playstation already have their own official magazines, they don't need a 3rd party rag (which is distributed by the truckload at gamestops and EBs) masquerading as an unbiased source, too.

I still don't understand what you're getting at, here.

What gets me upset about the industry is ironically the same thing (in theory) that 360 and PS3 fanboys are upset about - a new generation of non-gamers swooping in and making the next few years of games all about THEM. For me, that already happened years ago - it was the Mortal Kombat generation that weren't (or aren't) old enough to play mature games and ever since then, that's all they'll play. For them, it's the MINIGAME FAGS who seek to rid the planet of the good ol' fashioned bloodshed this industry has been built on for as long as they can remember (1992). And I wonder, do they have any idea where this industry started? Because infinite play games like Donkey Kong and Pac-Man reek of MINIGAME to me.

And I'll always respect the company more that's willing to put out a virtual boy or two just to do something different.

People besides me made way better points so I guess they're gay too.

God, Hateboys are way worse than fanboys.

Yeah, you're just a big buncha gay dudes. I bet you could get a vidya games show on Logo.

ICE BURN