osama bin laden is dead
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
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I HEARD THE NEWS ON MARLEE MATLIN'S TWITTER
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America fuck yeah! :picklehat
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I feel safe
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no more pink boots :(
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“After a firefight they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body”
AFTER the firefight they killed him... so basically executed, then. "justice has been done" When a man is executed without a trial, then justice has been done, apparently. I'm no fan of Bin Laden; just playing devil's advocate here. |
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lol Good job inventing an idiot trap RoG
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Apparently there's a bunch of malware sites set up with this topic title
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Bin Laden admitted to planning the 9/11 attacks. The 6th Amendment is for US citizens, which Bin Laden is not one of Killing Bin Laden is a military action The unprovoked attack on the world trade center that Bin Laden has claimed responsibility for cost 3000+ people their lives and ruined countless other lives that were associated with it. Bin Laden however is one man In a twisted way, I agree, justice was not served, 3000 lives for one evil life is not justice. There's probably no way justice will ever be served. |
All that being said, I have heard this pronouncement before and I will believe he is dead when his corpse is paraded in front of me
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Am I going to lose sleep over Osama not getting a fair trial? Hardly, but the world is getting more and more lax on what exceptions it can take to it's morals. |
lol @ rog for editing the common spelling mistake
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Did Saddam get a fair trial?
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did youguys hear micheal jackson died
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What did Gilbert have to say on the issue?
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@-Rog- Very nicely done. :lol |
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That's not twisted at all; sadly, it makes perfect sense. :( |
Hmm, I would have argued that Occam's razor backs my theory better.
I can't see Osama fighting on the front lines during a battle, anyway. |
Now that Osama K. Rool is defeated the U.S. can get all the golden bananas back in their proper place.
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Still it's a moot point, and one not really worth arguing, in my opinion. |
Idk if it's been mentioned yet but we killed Osama the same day that Bush had that "Mission Accomplished" speech. 8 years to the day. Kinda funny.
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I still feel safe
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Woot!
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It's funny, but I-Mockery was one of the first websites I came to when I got the news about 9/11. I was with my girlfriend at the time, and we had slept in that day; until around 10am, I think. (I was in college then, so that probably wasn't "sleeping in" so much as just waking up as scheduled.)
Seemed appropriate to pop in here and, I dunno, do a dance of joy. Or something. |
It was my ex-wifes birthday. I remember waking up and she's all "The whole world is going to shit today" and I was all "What's new?" Then we watched the second tower fall. I also did an amazing photochop the night before on Fark and was mad that Osama took away my prize. Fucking jerk. I never entered a contest after that.
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I was a freshman in high school. I feel fuckin old.
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I JUST POSTED A BUNCH OF PICTURES,
STRANGELY ENOUGH I DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING, THANK GOD TADAO WAS HERE TO EXPLAIN IT IN SIMPLE TEXT. |
Thanks goodness cause if he didn't...
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All I can picture is Obama doing a little dance a screaming "HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW?"
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I'M GLAD TO SEE GEGGY IS STILL HERE.
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who knows if it was really osama bin laden, anyway. also who knows if he really did it or if he just said he did or if it was just some dude that looked like him that said it.
no way of knowing now that he was executed (if we could've even known then). Gotta agree with the trial comment although I also think jerks should just be killed. ITS A DILEMMA |
Did those 3000 people get a trial from Al Queda when they were killed for being Americans?
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I didn't have grey hairs then though |
So my brother says toi me, "I'm just picturing a family having a nice day on the beach and all of the sudden Bin Ladin's body washes ashore"
I :lold |
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Yeah I couldn't speak for your hair ;), but I was sure you were working too
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Did the petrol station attendant get a trial when he was held up at gun point? etc etc You can argue whether it is justice to kill him or not after you prove his guilt. If he was killed in the heat of battle then fair enough. |
id "like" your post if I could
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I was in fourth grade on 9/11! it was awesome :)
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And on a personal note, those that believe that he didn't deserve to go out like this are really just giant pussies that simply don't realize how fucked up the world and the people in it really are. |
I don't think you realize how the LAW works. Even if you think he's a foreigner or whatever so the six amendment didn't apply to him or whatever theres still certain ways to treat other soldiers in war ;/ PLUS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THEM
and yea if we can just kill osama whats to stop us from just killing people like saddam without a trial? Or any other leader of a country that we deem wrong? Or anybody really. All we gotta do is attack our own country, put a fake beard on some dude and some 80's boots and be all, "I HATE AMERICA AND IM THE ONE THAT DID IT" and we have a license to kill? plus how are we any different than them? Not like he didn't see it as an action of war when he attacked us: attacking something that might have been perceived as an important part of our infrastructure, which could be said to be endemic of his problems with us (globalization), and luring us into a war that fucked our economy over (and maybe the world trade center being sploded added to that). anyway i dunno why I'm arguing this i dont care :( well a small part of me cares |
I don't think Al Qaeda would appreciate you marginalizing OBL as just another soldier in a war.
Best watch yo back. |
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Those 3000 people killed were an act of war. Killing Bin Laden (which as it turns out was an act of self defense on the part of the troops as he was shooting at them after all) was part of the war he started. You speak of law, but this is not a police action, it was a military action, and even if it was a police action, police shoot criminals in the course of defending themselves all the time, even in your country. Or are you now arguing that police and military have no right to defend themselves and those they are charged to protect? (see what I did there? I put words in your mouth to make you look heartless. how does it feel?) Quote:
So maybe, before you tell people to quote 'fuck off' and basically put words in my mouth that I never said (you are saying that nobody should get a trial) in a very weak attempt to make me look bad, you should use that thing between your ears eh? |
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It sounds retarded I know, but we should of just went ahead with the trial if it was possible. I think everyone deserves a right to due process, even if the evidence is overwhelmingly against that person. Even if they're not a citizen. Killing the guy won't bring the countless dead back, it just satisfies our lust for revenge. We need to rise above that if we want to claim we're a civilized society.
On the other hand, if people think that Osama was going to go without a fight they'd be sorely mistaken. Odds are he wanted to be a martyr. It sucks but sometimes that's how shit goes down. |
Whiterat: I don't think with a fair trial he'd go free. There really wouldn't be any chance of that happening with a mountain of evidence against that (not including his little homemade videos). People would be outraged, and they'd have a right to be, especially the families of the victims, but I think they'd get over it once they find him guilty in international court and kill him anyway.
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The point of having him on trial is to show the world we have him and then hang him in front of them. Not show a picture and then remove any trace of his body.
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When Sadam was sitting in court rooms being tried, the whole word believed that he was captured. Even though he is know for having multiple doubles. The point is that moving pictures captures little tells, photos show nothing viable. Most of the world believes Sadam is dead.
What we have here is a bunch of ammo for the Tea Party and Birthers to go on and on about how there is no proof and how do we really know. Yay! I wanna hear that for 4 more years. I believe that our government is fully capable of faking this whole thing to get 'Merica up and running again. Do I care? No, not really. At this point in Americas life, this is probably the best thing for us, real or fake. It's just stupid that they didn't take every measure to prove to the Arab and Western worlds that he was defiantly captured and defiantly dead. :conspiracy |
osama bin laden is dad
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All ruinin' the meticulously built sandcastles :( |
Those kids are gonna be messed up somethin' fierce I tell ya
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Anyway, it was a military action against... another countries military? No. Essentially it was to do with international law. Pakistani more than anything. Quote:
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If I remember correctly, he was wanted dead or alive.
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Doesn't really change what I said. If he was executed then that isn't what your country should be parading as justice.
If he wasn't executed then whatever. No argument. Actually, no, wait; killing someone on the battlefield isn't justice either - that's just dying. |
Why shouldn't we parade executing him as justice? I mean this is only out of curiosity. I know what I would do to someone who killed my family, and I would call it justice.
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Because that's not what you pretend your country is based on. This isn't what you would do to someone who killed your family, this is how a system of morals and ethics of an apparently progressive country should treat someone.
Seriously though, it's Osama bin Laden. I'm not surprised he's dead, I'm not angry he's dead, I'm not that interested on defending his personal rights in the eyes of the USA; it's more the comment that justice was done. That gets a scoff from me. |
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I wouldn't trust the US penal system to punish the guy who killed my family. I would try to kill him before he got captured.
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maybe this is a small step towards america just fuckin killing all those fuckers! DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST
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What it was in fact was a military action, taken because Pakistan pretended to be helping the US track bin Laden but in reality at least part of their government was sheltering bin Laden. Or was the fact that this building he was in being mere miles from the Pakistani equivalent of West Point military academy lost on you? And to answer your "what was my point" question it was that people like you love defending criminals but don't give a damn about their victims Quote:
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The issue I think you have Zhukov is you are confusing justice as a concept with justice in a court of law. If a man who killed thousands, admitted to it, and then was killed by a guy who had the opportunity to end that monsters life is not justice to you, then I think we are done discussing this because your views on justice are skewed. It seems though you are splitting hairs because President Obama called it justice, and in your mind you think he means he feels bin Laden was given a fair trial by a jury of his peers. That was not what he meant by justice however. |
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Like we did for Saddam. ;)
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As for the middle east WE'VE GOT TO NUKE THEM AND WE'VE GOT TO NUKE THEM NOW! |
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WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS DEBATE IF OSAMA WEREN'T FOUND, TALK ABBOTTABAD PLACE TO HIDE HUH :rolleyes :rolleyes
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I don't know if I should hug you or punch you.
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If you did in fact kill Osama and you want to pull troops from those areas, then this is the dumbest thing to do. So now I have to think that there are lots of hidden agendas going on. All the way from faking it to get re-elected to with holding proof so that Al Qaeda gets riled up. Fuck you government. Fuck you in the ass! |
I am more interested in how they think the bin Laden pic would incite violence.
I do agree that a simple photo is not enough evidence because of how easy it is to photoshop things, which is why I say have a 'here's bin Laden's corpse on a marionette' parade As for the "Spiking the football" comment, I think that falls short of the point. The reason we want the photo out there is not to quote 'spike the football' (though I am in favor of allowing people who want to to spike what's left of his head like a football) but because this is not the first time the government has claimed to have killed bin Laden. Their track record in accuracy regarding the living status of bin Laden has always been suspect at best. So why not put the evidence you have out there? You |
It's like saying to the people "Here is the good thing that we did, now here is the ammo to say that we didn't do it."
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Wikileaks will have everything in a year or two. We're just gonna have to wait.
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the really stupid thing is that osama has like 50 million look-a-likes. the only way they could prove it is if: dudes got a dental record, his fingerprints are in a system o rhis dna. Maybe a birthmark?
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Yeah, the whole "now the terrorists will really hate us" bit just seems like belaboring the obvious. It's not like we were about to sign some big accord with Al Qaeda.
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I think they should've put him in jail with a house arrest band you see in the movies and if Al Queada would ever break him out they would have to find hotel after hotel until they can break off the band. That way Osama learns a lesson and Al Queada can say Osama's awesome.
Then we get oil. Well, I'm on the fence about the whole if Osama was given a chance to stay alive. Al Queada would probably be shit storming like hornets getting their nest wiped with a dick and be hurling bags of bombs in the streets until they get results or until we raze their last monster generator. But the question would be if that increase in violence would be worth letting the fucker go insane in solitary. God damn it. I'm finally getting out of a political shell and all I have for security quality is the damn TSA thinking I was either drunk or holding a cough from a bad joint while I was being sent on medical leave from school due to a mid-life meltdown. Fucking assholes. |
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I'm not talking US law, I'm talking international laws which the US says it upholds. George Washington saying that every US citizen is equal, and deserves a fair trial, and deserves the right to vote, and deserves the protection of the police, military and legal arms of the government makes it a cop out when you can also just say "oh, that only applies to US citizens, we can do what we want to other people". Once again, I am not being technical on what the law states, and what actually happens in the reality of things, I'm talking about what should be justice, and what should be the standards that a nation created on aspiring to freedom should be attempting to achieve with how they deal with the whole world. Quote:
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Justice as a concept is what justice as a law is created to uphold. This relates to what Tadao said about what you would want if your family was killed. To you, it's justice if your family's murderer is torn to shreds and is burnt alive. But that's not how a government should do things. Revenge isn't a great thing to base your nation's legal system, or foreign policy, on. With Osama it would have really shown that the US is at least committed to a tiny shred of equality in the eyes of the 'law', rather than just getting revenge (especially when most of your country wants revenge in such a way). A secondary question: how many people do you have to kill (or in Osama's case, be accused of planning their deaths) to forgo a trial and succumb to a revenge killing? Is it a case by case basis? As an aside, there were terrorist bombings in Bali a few years back that were done by a Indonesian Islamic terrorist group. The attacks were aimed at killing Australians, and 200 people (Australian and Balinese) were killed. Those responsible were put on trial in Indonesia and sentenced to death. A lot of people in my country wanted the men responsible to be hanged, shot, boiled alive etc etc without a trial. The whole country felt like THEY were connected to the victims of the actual bombing (I'm not saying that is wrong), and that it would be fair to blow up the perpetrators in revenge. Both countries stuck to the format of a trial and punishment, and everyones blood lust was sated in the end. Would it have been different if it was more people killed? If it was on Australian soil? I'd like to hope not, but in fact I think our military would have taken an opportunity to kill those responsible during a firefight, and get around the fact that we don't execute criminals anymore. Quote:
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i was gonna say, we should've told pakistan to arrest him and charge him with a crime. If they didn't then we would have an excuse to blow them up. Is there any kind of international law for aiding and abiding terrorists?
Although the crime was committed on american soil so i guess that gives us jurisdiction or whatever.. i dunno i dont know how that works exactly. Pakistan prolly should've extradited him to us. Personally i think putting pressure on Pakistan would've been more worthwhile than putting Osama to death. |
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And trust me I am 100% sure you believe everything wikileaks says what with how you worship them religiously By the way, the reason I say you don't care about the victims is not some sudden epiphany I came to in the last 24 hours or that I just made up, it is because all I ever see you do is defend the criminals and all but ignore the things the victims have done to them, if you have an issue with that, I suggest you change the way you are sir. |
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Oh, and I'm not stupid; I know that justice and revenge are mired together, but not only is that not what your country, my country and most other countries pretend to stand for, but it shouldn't be what is acceptable or something to aim to achieve. Quote:
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All I ever do is defend criminals? Sounds like a television drama. Please name a few of these criminals that I am constantly defending, just for my own personal interest. I think you will say Julian Assange but that's all I can think of off the top of my head, and his 'victims' are arguable. ------------------------------------- So now they are saying that Osama wasn't defending himself and that he had surrendered. The official story seems to change a lot, How can you trust these people? |
Man I miss the cartoon Heckle and Jeckle.
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And as an aside to the whole communist thing, didn't communist Russia start with a whole slew of executions without a trial? Quote:
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That's a different discussion altogether, and one I touched on when I said that we have been lied to about bin Laden's living status before. But in the end I agree with how Churchill ordered his troops to handle Hitler. He basically said kill on sight because we do not want him using a trial to further spread his propeganda, we all know what he is,and we all know he needs to go. Just like bin Laden today. |
You're cracking me up here.
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I don't think that the elimination of executions will end crime, no. Quote:
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How do I propose to control violent crimes without executions? Hmmm, I guess you could try lengthy prison sentences. God knows if that would ever gain popularity in any nation's legal system - but one day it might just happen. For everyone else out there, here is a list of countries that execute: China Iran Iraq Saudi Arabia USA Yemen Sudan Vietnam Syria Japan Egypt Libya Bangladesh Thailand Singapore Botswana Malaysia North Korea You are keeping good company, America. I guess every other country in the world just doesn't run as cohesive societies as these marvelous nations on the list. Quote:
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*note, that list is not ALL the countries that execute. There are countries that retain it but do not use it, and there are countries that have it for 'special circumstances'. There are 41 countries that regularly use it, that list was the main offenders.
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Ah so it was a selective list used to try to make America look bad, i.e. you're posting MO in the philo board.
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But as I said, you care about criminals, not victims, otherwise why fight so hard for bin Laden? Who fights this hard for a monster anyway? What sort of depraved human really takes the line you are taking? What went so wrong with you in your life that this... this is how you think and feel about society? |
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