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The US realized that they were beat and started the peace negotiations. The idea that the war of 1812 was a second revolution for Americans is a fallacy. The only thing the US got out of it was a really big flag and a nifty song. That and Canada was a part of the British empire so of course it was occupied by British troops. We invaded them, not the other way around.
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A fallacy? It started because Britain was getting their asses handed to them in the Napoleonic Wars and thought they could hurt France financially and benefit themselves by setting up a naval blockade to halt American and French trading. They tried to force us to trade only with them much like they did before the Revolutionary war with the Navigation Acts but this time with their Navy as opposed to laws. Not to mention they were basically kidnapping our sailors and forcing them into their Navy. America declared war on Britain because they basically refused to acknowledge our sovereignty. Hence why it is referred to as the 2nd revolution.
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Yeah, and we got our asses handed to us.
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America failed to achieve it's military objectives, Britain/Canada succeded in achieving theirs.
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Um... What fucking objectives are you talking about? As far as I know the British blockade ended and they stopped kidnapping our sailors. Beyond that our objective was to defend ourselves and we did. Boston remained ours. So did New Orleans. America still flies Old Glory. Yeah we sure got our asses handed to us. :rolleyes
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The British blockade ended because Napoleon was finally defeated and they no longer needed it. They stopped kidnapping our sailors for the same reason. The British trashed Washington D.C., the Battle of New Orleans took place after the peace treaty had been signed, etc, etc. The United States is the only country where it's taught that the US won the War of 1812. For some reason I don't think that the rest of the world is wrong, especially when you actually read about the war.
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The capture and control of Canada was Americas prime objective, the defense of it was the British/Canadian one. Right?
Also, this "still flying old glory!" is the exact reason I mentioned the Vietnam example. Just because the enemy doesn't raze your cities and annihilate your people doesn't mean you don't lose. :rolleyes Anyway, I'm not going to pretend I know all about this war; my understanding of it was what I have already said, and that it ended with a peace treaty where everybody got their land back and the US was allowed to fish in some river. Back to Health Care! What AChimp said about wait times being the major problem is true here too. In fact it's going to be true to any public health system running at the moment I'd wager. Relying on the government to provide those MRI machines can be frustrating, but having one overworked machine is better than none for most people, and I would be much more frustrated knowing I had no security should some sort of accident befall me. I honestly have trust in the Australian health system to look after me when I get sick/injured. I don't pay extra for private health because of that trust, and so far it's going well for me. I'm happy for the guy with the nail through his skull to skip ahead of me in the Emergency line. I can see people thinking that more money means working harder, means more rewards means more chance of surviving an accident, though. I guess I just don't see it that way. |
You have to look at world events leading up to and during that time. Napoleon was rampaging France and its allies all over Europe. Britain couldnt match his army but he couldnt match their navy. Militarily speaking they really couldnt do much to eachother so they resorted to a more economic warfare. Napoleon cut Britain off from trade with continental Europe. Britain couldnt really cut France off from trade with anyone inside continental Europe because of Napoleons superior army so they had to use their superior navy to cut off as much of his shipping trade as they could. Most of which was done with America at the time. Now Europe has many major ports all over the place where America only had a few major ports namely Baltimore, New York and New Orleans. It would be easier for Britain to block America off from France so that is what they did. They set up a naval blockade and started kidnapping American sailors and were forcing them to join the Royal Navy. America looked at this as an infringement on their sovereignty and that is why they went to war. Due to Britains naval superiority they couldnt just sail out their and start blowing them out of the water. Their only other option was to attack the British in Canada. Their objective was not to take Canada per se, it was to end the blockade and to make sure their sailors would no longer be kidnapped.
The reason I bring up that we still fly Old Glory is because as AChimp said they did capture Washington DC and did burn and loot many government buildings. Alternately we did capture and burn York. The War of 1812 took place in North America not on the other side of the globe like Vietnam. Yes the battle of New Orleans did take place after the peace treaty but it was Britain that attacked and America that defended the city. Yet despite being outnumbered 3 to 1 Andrew Jackson kicked their asses. |
Because he's Andrew mother fucking Jackson. He's the exception to the rule.
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Dont even fuck with Old Hickory! >: |
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Thats the way we like it. :)
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You have to come to your own conclusions. You can't adhere to any kind of biased if you want to think objectively, empirically and or rationally. think. please. I beg you. |
We are thinking. You however, are bleating and babbling without making much coherence. Much like a lost sheep.
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Prove me wrong, o' scholar. Show us what that big "degree" can do then. Come on. Say something else other than these infantile little snipes and grumbles from the backround. I dare you. :love |
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Every time anyone tries to make a cogent rebuttal to your mounds and mounds of links, opinions, and general breast-beating, you either do one of two things: 1. Ignore the post and repeat near verbatim your last few posts on the subject, as if repeating them would make them any more believable, or 2. Call the poster names like "lemming" or "puppet" and do the same as step 1. Having an intellectual discussion with you is like talking to a window. Except the window has more interesting things to say. EDIT: Prove me wrong. Discuss the issues with The Leader. I DARE YOU! (in a non-judgemental non-confrontational manner, as bespeaks a man of culture and breeding, of course. :posh) |
He has been, it's just that he's right and I've been brainwashed and the best way to beat brainwashing is to repeat yourself over and over.
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Beyond that show me an article where FactCheck got it blatantly wrong. Not to mention in the past WND has said FactCheck is correct and agreed with them on at least one occasion on the subject of Obamas birth certificate. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214 Quote:
So if they guys you are saying are true and correct say FactCheck is true and correct... :\ But Im getting away from my original point. You said you cant trust organizations because they lie but then expect us to trust this other organization just because? And IM the one with "backwards and counter productive" logic?! :confused: Go screw yourself is probably the nicest thing I can really respond to that with. |
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