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Geggy Nov 24th, 2009 11:55 PM

f#%&ing hackers and climate change emails

what does everyone think?

Fathom Zero Nov 25th, 2009 12:42 AM

Nothing's 100%. I'm sure that there are some people that want to disagree with the "norm", to say that this climate shit is a little overblown. That's just how life works. Of course, there are a lot of people who stand to lose a lot of money if that turns out to be true, so falsification and fudged numbers are probably floating all around.

I only believe in what I can see myself. For me, the summers have been hotter and the winters have been colder. It could be that that's just how the planet works or that shit is changing. I don't know, I wouldn't be old enough to experience a global climate shift.

Besides, regular recordings on climate and temperature were only really started a little bit before the industrial revolution. It's been shown that that skewed numbers a bit. That and we don't know the big picture of what happened before then.

This is with a semester of meteorology under my belt, by the way. Saying that the climate is changing really validates the AMS and NOAA, doesn't it? CURIOUS?

Geggy Nov 25th, 2009 06:51 AM

i've always been 50-50 on the issue of global warming. massachusetts only had 2 weeks of summer with the temp going at 90 degrees or over last season. i have to make this short but in my gut intuition this whole story with the email hacking is an elaborate hoax in an attempt to manipulate the public's opinion on the issue of global warming. The hoax was possibly manufactured by the oil industry for political and corporate purposes.

stevetothepast Nov 25th, 2009 12:12 PM

MLE Nov 25th, 2009 11:19 PM

Geggy Nov 26th, 2009 12:59 AM

Hacked climate emails called a "smear campaign"
Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:54pm EST

(SolveClimate) Three leading scientists who on Tuesday released a report documenting the accelerating pace of climate change said the scandal that erupted last week over hacked emails from climate scientists is nothing more than a "smear campaign" aimed at sabotaging December climate talks in Copenhagen.

"We're facing an effort by special interests who are trying to confuse the public," said Richard Somerville, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at Scripps Institution of Oceanography and a lead author of the UN IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.


NO!! Do you think so?!

MLE Nov 26th, 2009 02:34 AM

You mean HOPEnhagen.

kahljorn Nov 26th, 2009 04:50 AM

the first time i read this story some of the crazy commentators were saying shit about how obama was gonna hand the world over to the illuminati or some shit at copenhagen.


Ant10708 Nov 26th, 2009 09:31 AM

GEGGY IS A SPAMMER. ban him please

The Leader Nov 26th, 2009 12:55 PM

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?Just for a little bit?

VaporTrailx1 Nov 26th, 2009 03:28 PM

This is the history of the planet for the past 300 million years. Maybe this will help the argument lol

Permian -
(only post-Cambrian period other than current known to have ice ages)
O2 : 120% pre-ndustrial
CO2 : 300% pre-industrial

(Damn near everything on Earth fuckin dies)

(dinosaurs kick proto-mammals asses and conquer planet)
(first true-mammals appear)
O2 : 80% pre-industrial
CO2 :600% pre-industrial
temp +3

O2 : 130% current level
CO2 :700% current level
temp +3

(Grass, birds and flowers appear)
O2 : 150% pre-industrial
CO2 : 600% pre-industrial
temp +4

(big fuckin rock hits Mexico, Dinosaurs die)

(bigass mammals)
(Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum)
O2 : 130% pre-industrial
CO2 : 200% pre-industrial
Temp +4

Neogene - Holocene : Current period
(ice ages)
O2 : 108% pre-industrial
CO2 : 100% pre-industrial
Temp +0

(Last Ice Age)

O2 - 100% pre-industrial?
CO2 - 123% Pre-Industrial
Temp +debated

MLE Nov 27th, 2009 01:39 AM

What are those percentages even based off of?

Chojin Nov 27th, 2009 08:51 AM

a base-10 number system derived from the arabs

VaporTrailx1 Nov 27th, 2009 01:06 PM

The base percentage is based off of pre-industrial levels from around 1750 taken from ice cores in Antarctica. How they got the information for the C02 and O2 levels for millions of years ago is based upon isotopes in rocks.

Either way, the Triassic had to suck balls.

Fathom Zero Nov 27th, 2009 02:43 PM

I've taken the liberty of modifying your argument to make it easier to understand:

Tadao Nov 27th, 2009 02:47 PM

Does Temp +0 mean the temp is at norm or didn't change? WTF random equation guy?

Fathom Zero Nov 27th, 2009 02:54 PM

I guess it's to denote relativity.

VaporTrailx1 Nov 27th, 2009 03:20 PM

yah pretty much 30. zero means 0 deviance from todays level.

MLE Nov 27th, 2009 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by VaporTrailx1 (Post 660936)
yah pretty much 30. zero means 0 deviance from todays level.


The base percentage is based off of pre-industrial levels from around 1750

Evil Robot Nov 28th, 2009 12:01 AM


what does everyone think?[/QUOTEi think you are a rapist

VaporTrailx1 Nov 28th, 2009 03:15 AM

i didn't come up with the figures. just give the planet some fuckin advil!

Blasted Child Nov 30th, 2009 01:02 PM

I can accept the thought of political agendas and fear tactics playing a role in the climate debate, but I also whole-heartedly endorse every step and measure taken to reduce emisions and green house gases and whatnot.

I mean, if we can find alternatives to digging up vast amounts of oil and burning it and maybe encourage people to take the bus more often, I don't see how that could hurt.

Just seeing how large percentage of a typical city that's covered by roads and parking lots and highways and asphalt, and imagining how nice it would have been with parks and pedestrian areas instead, makes you wanna ban cars already

Dimnos Nov 30th, 2009 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Blasted Child (Post 661199)


Tadao Nov 30th, 2009 03:48 PM

Hahaha my old roomate had a poster like that back in the early 90s

executioneer Nov 30th, 2009 07:03 PM


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