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Esuohlim Aug 19th, 2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimnos (Post 695736)
Im not going to miss him. It just seams like a silly reason to ban someone. But hey your the mod, do whatever you want.

See, you're missing the point that I'm giving him four full days to find me one legitimate source. There are tons of scientific journal databases and with minimal effort I'm sure anybody can find a source that backs Coolie up even if it's some 1953 experiment done in Belgium that was later debunked.

If Coolie truly believes that what claims is a reality then this should be a very easy way to avoid a ban.

Tadao Aug 19th, 2010 07:09 PM

WHAT'S UP YOUR BUTT?

Colonel Flagg Aug 19th, 2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Esuohlim (Post 695747)
See, you're missing the point that I'm giving him four full days to find me one legitimate source. There are tons of scientific journal databases and with minimal effort I'm sure anybody can find a source that backs Coolie up even if it's some 1953 experiment done in Belgium that was later debunked.

With his talent at using Google searching and his prediliction for finding wackos on YouTube, you'd think he would be able to channel his considerable ability for a few minutes to find and summarize completely for us heathens a peer-reviewed scientific journal article illustrating his point that this "poison" should be banned for all time.

Even though this is not a poll, I feel that he really contributes very little to political discussions, except to say :sleep or :lol or yawn* when someone dares disagree with one of his points. So ban his ass; not fluoride.

Esuohlim Aug 19th, 2010 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tadao (Post 695759)
WHAT'S UP YOUR BUTT?

SODIUM FLUORIDE-BORNE VIRUSES, BACTERIA, YOU NAME IT

TheCoolinator Aug 20th, 2010 02:52 AM

I'm not amused by Esuohlim's behavior,

and whats wrong with these studies?

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Bhatnagar M, et al. (2002). Neurotoxicity of fluoride: neurodegeneration in hippocampus of female mice. Indian Journal of Experimental Biology 40: 546-54. (See abstract)

Li Y, et al. (1994). [Effect of excessive fluoride intake on mental work capacity of children and a preliminary study of its mechanism] Hua Hsi I Ko Ta Hsueh Hsueh Pao. 25(2):188-91. (See abstract)

National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter)

Schettler T, et al. (2000). Known and suspected developmental neurotoxicants. pp. 90-92. In: In Harms Way - Toxic Threats to Child Development. Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility: Cambridge, MA. (See excerpt)

Azar HA, et al. (1961). Skeletal fluorosis due to chronic fluoride intoxication. Annals of Internal Medicine 55:193-200.

Paul V, et al. (1998). Effects of sodium fluoride on locomotor behavior and a few biochemical parameters in rats. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 6: 187–191. (See abstract)
Qin LS, Cui SY. (1990). The influence of drinking water fluoride on pupils IQ, as measured by Rui Wen's standards. Chinese Journal of the Control of Endemic Diseases 5:203-204.

Also....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sodium+Fluoride+scientific+studies




and finally...here is the full bibliography of scientific studies on Sodium Fluoride.


http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html

RaNkeri Aug 20th, 2010 03:24 AM

You would already know if you would actually read others' posts instead of ignoring them :rolleyes

TheCoolinator Aug 20th, 2010 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RaNkeri (Post 695791)
You would already know if you would actually read others' posts instead of ignoring them

Are you telling me that these are not scientific studies?

http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html

RaNkeri Aug 20th, 2010 03:50 AM

I'm telling you to go to previous pages and look what we've said before, to get answer to your previous question :rolleyes

TheCoolinator Aug 20th, 2010 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RaNkeri (Post 695799)
I'm telling you to go to previous pages and look what we've said before, to get answer to your previous question


From his description these are completely fine. Many of them have been published, and they were published very long ago meaning that this has been know for quite a while.

Have you clicked on the link yet?

RaNkeri Aug 20th, 2010 04:12 AM

Funny, I don't recall saying that anything you've posted was "completely fine" :rolleyes

Esuohlim Aug 20th, 2010 04:51 AM

Coolie, all those studies involve pumping rats with unrealistically LARGE amounts of sodium fluoride. We all agree that excessive sodium fluoride is bad. We have endlessly pointed out that excessive ANYTHING is bad. There is no debate in that area.

OBVIOUSLY to the rational people here, meaning everyone but you, miniscule amounts of dangerous substances are beneficial to the human body. EVERYTHING that our body needs to function is horribly dangerous at an excessive level. Ever heard of iodine? It's poisonous, but we need it. That's why we have iodized salt.

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

jesus christ

By the way, a link to a bibliography and the suggestion to google search "sodium fluoride scientific studies" is definitely not what I asked for (ESPECIALLY the latter). Telling us to find it ourselves is the just perpetuating the same bullshit that's becoming a factor in you being banned.

kahljorn Aug 20th, 2010 08:56 AM

i clicked on some links and found some scientific studies :O :O

most of them use words like, "over-dose," nd excessive and involve dosages up to 50mg in small rabbits, for example.

it only took me two minutes to discover this :O

Zhukov Aug 20th, 2010 09:50 AM

It only takes a half second glance at the titles (my usual process for scientific examination) to notice they say things like "Effect of excessive fluoride intake" and "chronic fluoride intoxication".

I was about to mention that the only one to mention fluoridation in water and it's effects on children, doesn't have a link. But then I would be asking Coolies for a link, which is like asking Kahl to hold the shift key when typing.

Dimnos Aug 20th, 2010 11:26 AM

Here in America we have this thing called a caps lock. :rolleyes

Pentegarn Aug 20th, 2010 12:51 PM

In Soviet Russia, caps lock you

Pentegarn Aug 20th, 2010 01:02 PM

Back on the issue of Coolie's failure to follow instructions...

He either gives scientific studies that say "excessive fluoride is bad" or letters from activists, neither of which are what Milpool asked for. Then he tries to play the condescending asshole card by dropping a lmgtfy link, as though we don't know how to google. What he wants is for us to do his research for him, and when we don't he drops lines like "it is not my job to do your research for you" which registers a 10 on the hypocrite-o-meter because that is exactly what he wants from us. And when he isn't trying to trick us into researching his counterarguments for him, he is acting indignant that we don't take his crackpot beliefs on faith. Sorry Coolie, I take nothing on faith. What you have provided us is fanciful leaps in logic without real evidence to the point you are trying to make. You deserve your imminent ban

Dimnos Aug 20th, 2010 01:56 PM


TheCoolinator Aug 20th, 2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimnos (Post 695855)

yep. :sleep

This thread was just supposed be a post about the EPA unions taking action against the dangers of Sodium Fluoride not another circle jerk.

The Leader Aug 20th, 2010 02:27 PM

:lol

Colonel Flagg Aug 20th, 2010 05:18 PM

He. Just. Doesn't. Get. It.

kahljorn Aug 20th, 2010 07:02 PM

MORE LIKE ITS ASKING ZHUKOV TO BE A STuCK UP PRICK

Supafly345 Aug 20th, 2010 07:21 PM

If there is any significant danger from fluoride, you would definitely find it in these journals:

http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/

If you can't find it in either of those, it probably isn't reputable.

Tadao Aug 20th, 2010 07:43 PM

Those reputable organizations are funded by the man to spread their lies!

kahljorn Aug 20th, 2010 08:14 PM

i was looking around and there's actually a scientific journal devoted specifically to fluoride research

http://www.fluorideresearch.org/

http://fluoride-journal.com/contents.htm

those are the same organization :O

Tadao Aug 20th, 2010 10:21 PM

Is that first one for visually impaired people?


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