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Originally Posted by Grislygus (Post 681288)

No, arguing about whether the word "art" means anything is nothing but semantics. It's the kind of argument that you hear from high school kids when you tell them that good art always involves hard work, usually accompanied by the arguments "NO", "I don't need to get any better", "NO!", "You just don't understand", and "that's just my style!"

(slightly exaggerated) REAL LIFE CONVERSATION, POSTED HERE AS TO AVOID DESTROYING YET ANOTHER THREAD

Spoilers!
"What do you think? Is it good? BE HONEST." "It looks good. You're perspective's off and the composition is weak, though." "I wasn't TRYING to have good 'perspective' or 'composition', okay?" "I noticed. Look, it's looks good [KINDLY LIE], you just need work on it some more." "But I'm FINISHED." "No, you're not. See how her forearms are half the length of her femur? You're drawing a real person. You need to fix that." "THAT'S MY *STYLE*!" "If it was deliberate, then yes. Unfortunately, you weren't distorting existing proportions; you were screwing them up, and you didn't even notice it until I pointed it out. Learn HOW TO DRAW IN THE FIRST PLACE, then worry about your goddamn style (which will have manifested by that point anyway [you tool])." "Whatever. You just don't understand that I'm a genius and that I'm going to be famous as soon as I turn eighteen without any effort or growth at all SO THERE."

Intentions make all the difference. Unless they intended to be a fuck-up.

Shit, you just reminded me I need to renew my Artistic License. Thanks.

Artistic license in regards to "deliberately" distorting drawn human proportions has nothing to do with photographs

Funny, but I don't think you're right with that.

Well, if you're using a photograph as a reference for your drawing then yes, you may or may not choose to compensate for the flattened distortion caused by the camera itself when drawing a person in the photograph.

But if someone is comparing the artistic license involved with drawing forearms with the artistic license involved with setting up or lighting a shot... well, there IS no damn comparison to be made, unless you're discussing placement on the page alone (which has nothing to do with proportions on a forearm, unless a student has unconsciously squished said forearm so that it wouldn't extend past the page's edge and not be shown).

I thought you meant photography. OOPS.

I just don't like getting all pragmatic up in this shit.

conversationally pragmatic, philosophically pragmatic, or partly pragmatic in a practical sense?

I'm talking about a ratio of stiltedness to freedom and general artsy-fartsy spirit.

God, people are fucking boring. Just leave, you Indian fruitbat.

I need to remember Indian Fruitbat as a derogatory term

AND FUCK FREEDOM, I WILL CRUSH IT UNDER AN IRON HEEL AND FORCE YOU ALL TO WATCH ROBERT HUGHES' TV PROGRAMS

I'm still trying to figure out how and who the Indian Fruitbat thing insults.

Has anyone ever been to http://www.mockery.com It is a wonderful entertainment rescource.

My Indian roommate. Fucking doofy bastard.

Native American or South Asian?

I would say Native American if I meant Native American. Or just used the tribe.

This cat is an annoying Punjabi fuck.

Punjab or West Bengal?

PUNJAB.

I THOUGHT I SAID THAT ALREADY.