Let's Have A Tea Party!
 

I was in town today, with the fam, and as we walked toward the center, we saw a group of individuals hoisting placards and yelling incoherently. Cars were honking at them as they drove by. As we got closer, I was able to make out the words "Kill the Bill" and "No to Obamacare".

Right.

I wonder how many of them actually can speak coherently and accurately about the issues, or who have more than a knee-jerk interpretation of the actual bill? (aka Health care for me = Good; health care for all = bad)

I'm betting in the low single digits, and by low I mean none. :(

But we should all be against the bill anyway, right?

I was thinking about that. What if we just free healthcare for minors?(under 18). I'm not endorsing that but just an idea.

I hope the Tea Baggers split off into their own party so half the crazies would leave the GOP and we could actually have the possibility of a good canididate from the right for once.

Health care has become the poster child of political football. If you support it, you're a socialist. If you're against it, you're a right wingnut.

That article isn't nearly as long as it should be, but I should still visit factcheck more often.

I saw an episode of The Daily Show recently where they showed some footage of some bloke likening the struggle against health care to the 'Velvet Revolution' in Czechoslovakia.

They then had a skit where someone listed how they were similar, and what the brave Czechoslovaks were fighting for, including; dissolution of the one party state, free and democratic elections, free healthcare, end to censorship, the right to strike...

Wait, what?

I would back that, but that's probably one of those ideas that sounds so simple, but really is. >:

Fucking govt.

What would be great is if people wouldn't lie for political gain.

:lol2

Agreed, and agreed. :(

Congrats Americans, you're no longer the only country in the civilized world without a nationalized health care

About GD time, too. :(

lets have a tea-h-c party :legalizeit :420 :smokeweedeveryday

So what kind of half baked, retarded step-cousin of a socialised health care do you have now? Is it actually in, or is it just the first step on a long road?

I would be making jibes at how backwards the USA is right about now, but Australia has been taking a few steps back in the progressive race recently.

I am not sure if the public option got put back into it, but if it is then it is only a small part of all the things this bill fixed.

No, go right ahead. What with all the homophobic, racist and otherwise hateful rhetoric espoused by the "new right" that would be perfectly accurate. :(

I highly doubt that the Republican's will ever have a good candidate again. I don't think they understand that running on platforms that demand endless wars and less good paying jobs isn't really something that people living in tent cities are willing to latch on to.

The democrats are the same but sneakier, hence why we are still in Bush's wars.

I'm guessing in the next few years people will have enough of this treadmill of futility we call the election process and start a brand new political party.

Don't pat us on the back just yet. I heard all this healthcare bill really is, is a bailout for the bankrupt insurance agencies. They are going to force people to buy products from for-profit unregulated health insurance companies using medicare's money. So you pay into it through ObamaCare and they STILL deny your claim.

Very similar to the banker bailout. They send trillions of dollars of free tax payer money into the investment banks and then those same banks STILL forclose on you. The American people are taken yet another ride on the bullshit express.

I'm for an optional single payer government Health care plan. Problem is that ObamaCare is just another sweet heart deal for the insurance companies who gambled on derivatives and lost. Hence why a lot of the house democrats were against it from the start but were bullied into supporting it.

There still isn't a single payer option in the bill to compete with private interests and that's the point.

I wouldn't be surprised if quite a lot of Non-Red states follow suit and passed laws against the Health Care bill just like they did regarding the Patriot Act.

The government can't force it's population to buy a product from a private for profit instituion.

That'd be nice but I think the two party system is so ingrained in America's conscious that anything else would be considered un-American. As long as we have our NASCAR we'll be fine.

A lot of things are called un-American now a days. Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a neo-MacCarthy universe where Communists are now called Terrorists and your "Aiding the Enemy" by speaking your mind.

Man, I wish we had guys named Arkady Grigorovich Ourumov giving priests the sleeper.

I'm slightly perturbed that they left out the question mark at the end of "Is this tomorrow" but all is not lost. I think you may have invented a new WWE gimick.

Priest VS The Red Scare

Monday Night Raw!

Raw has other meanings as well....



Man that toilet tissue has the look and feel of sandpaper. >:

I'm sure that the poster probably doesn't fuck up 'you're' and 'your' all the time, though.

I'll let you guys in on a little inside secret: When we reds take over the USA then it's going to be somewhat like that poster, only with more blood, and we'll have better uniforms.

Your grammar complaints are emboldening the terrorists / communists. Stop being a cut and runner.

thanks all....

The mad 'thanker' strikes again!

Naaaah. There couldn't be a connection, could there?

lol, who is that guy?

I wonder if this effects my disability medicare. :(

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100311/wl_csm/286856

So, Rush, do they have outpatient treatment plans for chemical dependencies?

How soon can you book a flight?

He's been thanking everybody for about the past 4 or 5 days now, in almost every forum.

As to who he is, well that is the question, now, isn't it?

hahaha, that's somewhat odd but creative nonetheless. I think the best part about it is the Vanilla Ice avatar. It really makes me feel like Robert Matthew Van Winkle is thanking me personally for listening to "Ice Ice baby" in the 90's.

And Colonel,

Don't listen to what Rush, Hannity, or O'Reilly say. They are just put there so right-wingers will worship them and carry their backwards ideology into the real world. Hence why it's impossible to have a conversation with them. Sean Hannity still tells his audience on almost a daily basis that we actually found WMD's when we went into Iraq and no bid contracts are good for America.

<sigh> :(

:lol

You guys really believe that all the talking heads, left or right, are really pushing their own ideologies? You don't think they are reading from a pre-written script?

Divide and Conquer. A fragmented population that votes for leaders that are already funded by private interests.

Their team may win but their standard of living still falls.

Do you honestly think the Colonel needed you to inform him? If you go back and read his post you just might find a joke made at Rushs expense.

Although I cant promise anything.

Coolie read and comprehend something without feelings of paranoia?

Come on dude.

Coolinator, do you have a developmental disorder?

That's entertainment! :lol

The only reason why he made a joke about Rush is because he's still trapped in the left / right paradigm. He wouldn't have made the joke if it was Kieth Olbermann or Rachel (The Man) Maddow.

The facts remain,

Obama a supposed Leftist passed a right wing health bill that Sean Hannity and Rush LOVE. It gives all the medicare money directly to the for profit unregulated insurance companies WHILE cutting medicare. It's a right wingers dream come true.

But not many Lefty's will notice this until it's too late and even if they do they will be too delusional to blame it on Obama. They will probably make themselves feel better by blaming it on the republicans. Even though they voted for it with smiles on their faces.

This who nonsense about Rush hating the Healthcare bill is Kabuki theatre. It's professional wrestling but with politics. It's all rigged.

So then why did you write the way that you did in your previous post?

How did I write? I don't understand. He sighed, you laughed, and I assumed that you were just making light of my post.

The talking heads on television are liars. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a manufactured ideology meant to fracture the public into small angry little groups thus making them impotent. This isn't difficult to understand. Unless you're just pretending to not understand me to be funny.

On Topic:

Has anyone read the Obama care bill? Did you see how it will ration health care to the elderly while pumping cash into for profit insurance companies?

To the any moderator:

Please lock this thread.

PLEASE!

Coolie, look here - you may be more comfortable posting in this thread.

You'll certainly not piss people off so much. :\

Fine,

If I'm not welcome I will leave and go back to the video game forum. Hmph!

Man you look way to into things. He made a joke about Rush because there was a joke to be made about Rush. You know, because Rush has a history with prescription pills that Olbermann and Maddow just dont have. :rolleyes

Rush also said that there should be manditory prison terms for drug users. His hypocrisy is unending. Hence why nothing they say should ever be taken seriously. Left wing talk show hosts included.

Keith Olbermann used to go on 30 minute tirades ripping Bush to pieces over illegal wire tapping and false statements before the war but all that disappeared now because Obama is in office. Now the wars are just and we have to get the "terrorists" and illegal wiretapping are OK because they are protecting the homeland.

The only reason you could possibly think that we don't know that is if you are either incredibly narcissistic and believe yourself to be smarter than everyone, or you are a complete idiot. I think that it's a combination of the two.

Leader did I ask him about the hypocrisy of Rush? Or about anything Olberman said?

Yes, you are not welcome here.

No, it had nothing to do with the conversation. He just likes to throw things out there and then when we don't respond to that particular part he thinks that we just don't know what's going on. He's enduring like that.

Did anyone read the Health Care bill that just passed? Stocks prices are sky rocketing because of it.

Insurance companies stocks have been going up for a while. Apparently there are actually some people out there who understand the law.

Oh, I thought they were going up because of this.

Well, At least some states are passing laws to negate this Insurance Bailout.

For the record, I tried to help him out, showing him where he could legitmately post conspiracy theories. They would even be welcomed there.

BTW, I'd love to get him and Geggy together.

And KKKaumph

Where is Geggy? Did he get tired of being called a "conspiracy theorist"? From what I've seen of his previous posts he was persecuted in the same manner as I am. I guess Geggy and I share the same ideology and do not adhere to the rigid paradigm that others fanatically latch on to.

Red = Bad......Blue = Good.....

Blue = Bad.......Red = Good.....

No, he knows he's a conspiracy theorist and unlike you, he is proud of it.

Where did you learn the phrase "conspiracy theorist" from and can you define it for me please? Because it sounds like you and others just throw the title out there as if it will magically discredited everything that the other person is saying.

OH MY GOD, IT'S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST YOU!

Personally, I think you could learn a lot from Geggy. :grasshopper

When you call another person a "conspiracy theorist" that tells to me that you just don't want to think about the subject. What you really want is someone of presumed authority to come over and tell you exactly what to think and to point out which faction is your designated enemy.

Hence why you automatically called me a "Conspiracy theorist" the minute I walked in the forum.

Break your conditioning will ya.....you're not Pavlov's dog.

You should introduce us. It will save you from having future tantrums.

Yes, that tells YOU something, but what it means is a person who theorizes about conspiracies. But you're a fucking nut.

Isn't history full of Conspiracies? So why wouldn't mine hold any validity if History is literally packed with them :confused:

Also,

If you do any research about what I've been saying you may actually come to the same conclusion but maybe that's the thing that scares you the most. Maybe one day someone may be calling YOU a conspiracy theorist. :)

ON TOPIC:

The Tea Party Right wingers were actually correct for once about ObamaCare!

You can have your "ignore" tantrum now Colonel.

:lol You read way too much into things. You'll read too much into these two sentences.

Its not so much that you have theories about conspiracies so much as you just bust into the middle of a conversation with them. The Colonel just made a joke about Rush so you felt the need to come barging in Kramer style with your "talking heads are liars" bit. Just barely on topic enough to not be a thread derailment.

Speaking of the Colonel... Why do you need to get up his ass? What did he do to you?

First off,

I'm assuming that you didn't read the first post because this whole entire topic is based around hatred for people of the right-wing persuasion. Which IMO is a futile effort considering that both sides are funded by the same people. THEN the topic continued by stating that Tea Party people are idiots and don't have enough mental fortitude to understand the bill they are protesting against.

Seems like someone has prejudices against others...hmmm?? Maybe assumptions that aren't exactly true....hmmm....food for thought.


I'm not getting up anyone's anywhere. If you haven't noticed I continue to get verbally abused when pointing out basic facts. The Tea Party and others (Democrats as well) were correct about opposing this legislation.

And if anyone would like to have a little conversation about that then fine but if everything I say will be answered with "Conspiracy theorist" then I'm not going to participate. Nor will I have a conversation with someone who speaks so low of his fellow citizens. I'm not a fan of conditioned arrogant elitism.

Basic facts :lol

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You forgot to mention how you're persecuted because everyone else votes either democrat or republican because you totally knows everything about everyone and everything.

DID YOU NOT READ MY POST! LET ME QUOTE IT!

Clearly you can see my point of view!

I thought I was being helpful.

You remind me of one of my old freshman chem students, pre-med. Constantly coming to office hours with the same old exam trying in vain to show me that they did get the answer right, or at least deserved partial credit.

Honestly.

I started this thread because it occurred to me as I was driving through my hometown that most individuals who protest one way or another probably have no clue as to the ramifications of what they may be protesting for or against. I am intrigued but not surprised that it has evolved into a discussion of the pros and cons of the present solution to the current healthcare crisis, now known disparagingly as Obamacare.

Personally, I only am convinced that the most dangerous path is to do nothing. A bad solution can be fixed, but it at least moves us off the status quo. Witness the decision of the previous administration on stem cells - it spawned a whole new era of research into modification of epithelial cells to become pluripotent stem cells. Would this have happened if research was not restricted by the Bush administration? Maybe not.

No quotations, no links, and no trying to convince anyone. This is only my opinion.

:lol @ Tad

EDIT - KK would like him. A lot. ;)

(Yawn)


How do you know this? If I remember correctly from your original post all you did was walk by them with your nose in the air like some pseudo-intellectual.....:lol Then after assuming something that you had no proof about you scoffed at them for taking part in the political process. For shame Colonel...for shame.

As stated in my previous posts....AND....repeated by dissident Democratic senators and congressmen, this "Bill" is nothing more then a bailout for the bankrupt insurance and pharmaceutical companies. If you read the bill....which you didn't.....making this a rather hypocritical topic to post...you would have realized that all of the money gets funneled directly into the bank accounts of numerous designated winners who have connections in the white house and congress.

The content of your opinion doesn't surprise me in the least. What it says is that you would rather go along with something bad then actually have something good. Which doesn't make too much sense here in the land of the conscious observer.

What we don't have is a single payer option to compete with private for profit unregulated insurance companies.

What we got....not by our choosing I may add....is a bill cobbled together by the private sector to rip off the common man. This health care system is now a state sponsored cartel to gut the American people and deny them care. Hence why true Democrats fought against it.

This is the Antithesis of FDR and Johnson's Great society. Another sad day in the land of the blind.

fag

Read the Bill. :rock

faggot

This is before they threatened him and forced him to vote for it AND its on MSNBC so I hope it makes you feel like your listening to the "winning" side.

fgt

Pharmaceutical companies are bankrupt?

<sigh>

He is as dismissive and as arrogant as he claims that I am. Pot, meet kettle.

Tadao, you're right. Much as I've tried to drag a coherent thought out of him, it's just not coming. And that's a shame, because I think if he could just drop his facade of elitism he could present a few excellent points. Unfortunately, it gets lost in his attitude - I know more than you do, therefore you should believe me; if you don't you're a lemming. :noseintheair

I'm sure he has a few links, or a video that he'll show now to prove me wrong. :rolleyes

For the record, I've actually spoken to many protesters in my 50 years on this earth, and it has been my experience (not sound-bite, blog, or op-ed piece) that most individuals did not really know why they were protesting. They were there because someone told them to be there - in other words, they were doing exactly what Coolie has been accusing most of us, including myself, of doing - being lemmings.

Again, I have no sound-bite, blog or op-ed piece to show to prove me right. I don't particularly feel the need to prove myself to anyone, as this is only my opinion. Feel free to disagree, this is teh interwebs. Just try to do it in a non-condescending manner.

He made the mistake of joining a forum where people can pick apart his copy/paste wisdom. When asked to explain his ideals he resorts to being a faggot.

I hear a lot of grumbling, did I just sink your battleship?

High Fives all around!

What are you talking about?

Did you watch the Kucinich video? There is a great part at the end of it where he said that voting for a bad bill is like building a house on sand.

fggt

Let's see what any of this has to do with what Colonel wrote... Hmm, yes, yes... I have concluded that this has absolutely nothing to do with what Flagg wrote and that Coolinator is possibly schizophrenic.

lol, :lol

Do I have to pull out the Exhibits again like I did in the global warming debate? You didn't like when I did that the last time. :love

fagt

^^^ This. :lol

Would any of them actually have to do with the discussion or will they just be kind of related and/or present ideas that everyone already agrees upon?

I think we should just make everything free. That way we wouldn't have to worry about healthcare or recessions, and doctors and other would work because it's necessary for survivalism, not for money.

You are adorable.

:dunce

http://www.thefoxnation.com/business...orce-obamacare
IS THE IRS HIRING NEW ARMED TAX AGENTS TO ENFORCE OBAMACARE?? WHY ARE WE THE ONLY ONE'S ASKING THIS QUESTION?

you have got to be kidding! THIS IS NOT AMERICA

The health care bill has turned the government into one giant bill collector for private for profit insurance companies.

Yup. :hankhill