Ya, 100 RBI will just fuck up a baseball team.

His output only counts if he puts forth the effort.

What the hell? Results are what matter. Always.

There are plenty of little scrubs that get their uniforms dirty and play oh so hard every chance they get. But, they still suck. Are you really telling me you want David Scrub Ass Eckstein over Manny?

Not the Bay is a bad player. He's still young and has an upside, and has proven himself in the majors. Factor in he's going to command less than Manny and the Sox might actually have made a good long term deal.

But some of the shit people say about Manny and baseball in general is just retarded.

I like Manny but this is key right here.

If Manny doesn't want to play, then Manny will not produce, if Manny does not produce, then Manny's skill/talent/output is moot.

Manny hit .299 with an OBP of .398 and SLG of .529 as well as 20 HR and 68 RBI. Not sure what you consider "producing", but I think thats a damn good example of it.

Then obviously you missed the whole series of events leading up to the trade. Does "sore knee" ring a bell? If he doesn't want to play, he won't put up any numbers. I'm not disputing how good he is; I'm saying that he did not want to play in Boston and was intentionally sandbagging and missing time to get out of there. He would've been more harm had they not traded him.

And besides, he's no Babe Ruth.

according to equivalency ratings, he isn't far behind.

What's your deal with Ramirez anyway? The dude wanted out, they went with a long term option, what else is there to say?

I didn't say it was a bad trade. I actually am just hoping this turns into another Babe Ruth trade. They deserve nothing less.

EB, I would have fallen over dead in my mom's underwear if you had said you'd be rooting for the Phils. You root against the Phils the same way that I root against the Mets. ALL THE FREAKING TIME. Don't give me this racist BULLSHIT. >:

Lets see, a fictional heavy weight champion gets parades and a statue.

The actual heavy weight champion, one of the greatest boxers of all time, who actually exists, gets nothing but scorn from the city. Oh, he also happens to be black.

then there's that whole blowing up a housing project issue.

Spoken by someone who wasn't there. I was, for both.

Joe Frazier was, and is one of the most revered sports figures Philadelphia has ever produced. The city mourned with great reverence the untimely passing of his son, Marvis, of a congenital undiagnosed heart condition.

The "blowing up of a housing project", was, in fact a C-4 bomb dropped on a warlike bunker built by a group dedicated toward verbal harrassment and physical violence against the community. The neighborhood was working-class and not a "housing project" in West Philadelphia. Think the Montana "Freemen" or the Branch Davidians in an urban setting.

The bombing was viewed as the only reasonable solution to the existing problem, and history has shown it to be extremely ill-conceived. It was organized and ordered by the African-American mayor of that time, and was botched by his hand-picked police and fire commissioners.

You probably also think that Mumia Abu-Jamal is innocent, like all the hollywood yahoos that demonstrate for his release.

You, my friend, are a bigot.

From one who lived through it.

I know, before anyone else says it, this belongs in the politics forum.

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When did these events you and El are discussing happen Colonel?

Hey, Adolph, whatever you tell yourself to feel better.

The MOVE tragedy occurred about 23 years ago. I was living in W. Philly at the time, and the fire, while safely far away, was near enough to make my future in-laws collective basket cases.

Again, I have no more desire to discuss this in the sports forum, or any other form for that matter. If EB wishes to espouse his views on the matter (i.e. that all Philadelphia fans are racist), then he can do so in the politics forum.

BTW, EB ever hear of Howard Beach?

So, how about that World Series?

Hell yeah!

Phils-Rays may get rained out tonight - it's f*****g pouring right now.

If J-Roll can't get it going at the plate, the Phils will have a hard time winning three more games.

The world series of baseball is going on right now right?


edit: Let's Go Phillies

Rain is letting up, gametime looks to be in about 15 minutes.

Wow.

I never thought I'd see the day the Phils would be up 2-1 in the Series, and I'd still be nervous about their chances. They live and die by the homer - have all year - and still can't seem to buy a hit with men in scoring position. Not that there were many last night, but still, .... an infield hit with the bases loaded and no outs?

Ruiz is looking like an MVP candidate, after hitting around his weight all season (.219 avg, reg season; .500 in the WS).

Stormy weather in Philly... I think the Rays still have a shot. They'll be fresh tomorrow and it'll essentially be 0-0 in a 3 inning game. Gotta give it up to the Phillies so far though. When Howard, Utley, and Rollins are on you really can't fuck with that lineup.

I don't give a damn about baseball, butttt I've been rooting for the Phillies only because the media/espn made them out to be this HUGE underdog. I always go with the underdog by default. Guess that's why I'm a Saints fan :(

Anyways, it's sooooo good to watch all these guys on radio/tv eat their words now :p

It ain't over yet though.

2 outs away and the Phillys are up by only one. How hard are you gripping Colonel?