[Zhukov]

So, Kelly, surely you aren't saying that "Supply and Demand" and the 'american spirit' are hard-coded into the human genome? Right?

It would be a bit hard for people during the feudal ages to live up to these desires.

True communism, as in the small scale communes popularized in the U.S. during the 1960's DO work and are most certainly NOT materialistic. They are the opposite. How can you be materialistic when everything belongs to everybody?!

Does anybody know when we made the leap from Socialism to Communism? Oh well. Sure they work - if you like living like a wildman. Hippies living like cavemen can be likenend to primitive communism (the social system that we humans lived under for 99% of our existance), but when someone uses the phrase 'true communism', they generaly aren't thinking of dread-locked layabouts. Communism isn't about running off into the forest and finding enlightment and being at peace with your fellow man, it is about taking our own futures into our own hands.

The basic motto of communism "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" and all the altruistic values that go along with it are not, no matter how much we want them to be, human nature.

I agree with you. But for my own despicable ends I feel I should explain something: "For each according to need" means according to need, not "for each what barely keeps one alive". It means that when the overall economic situation is taken into account, sharing of this wealth is based on need. So if there are enough TVs, everyone would have two. Or if there isn't enough cars, they're given to those who most need them. And of course no person is allowed to for example take all the produced diabetics medicines if he's healthy.

The system is not materialistic

The system is based on the means of production - how can that not be considered materialist? I am sorry though, my original sentence should have read:"Communist theory hasn't got an Idealist view of the human race, it is a Materialist view."

As much as it would be nice that a system like communism would work, people are simply not that altruistic.

What about people that are that altruistic? Are they not human? People where I live are generaly nice people who are willing to help etc, this may not be the case in the US or other places, but it doesn't have to be like this.

Stalinism is just communism turned into a dictarship due people's trust and intense nationalism.

Gaining peoples trust and nationalism are just some of the ways they stay in power, but it is not how they came into power - the stalinites are more than this. I am fine with "just communism turned into a dictatorship", for the moment though.

Countries that support a communist or socialist party are often prone to this.

Chile? Nicaragua? Argentina? Angola? Cuba? Venazuela? etc... The countries are also prone to imperialist interference.

Look what happened to Germany's Labor Party prior to WWII.

Which one? What happenend?

Theory holds that an exchange between a man who spends 2 hours killing 2 rabbits and a man who spends 2 hours killing 1 rabbit will result in a trade of 2 rabbits for 1 rabbit. If we assume any moderate amount of intelligence, that will not happen.

You are repeating yourself. I already said that it doesn't apply to your hunting scenario - LTV is mainly about 'traditional labour' - mining, factory production etc, things that can be mass produced.

I do not find Marx's example to be accurate. The diamond's price would fall because of the increase in supply, not because the value of laboring for diamonds fell.

I find Marxs example to be acurate. The daimonds price would fall because the price of labouring for diamonds fell, not because of an increase in supply. Oh wait we are both repeating ourselves.

You are happy with your side, I am happy with mine.

Sorry if I have been overly harsh in my posts.