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Old Jan 8th, 2004, 06:23 PM       
kellychaos:

Well, OAO is a little sloppy with words. Reality for him seems to be the entire contents of the universe.

His mistake is taking a characteristic of the parts and applying it to the whole. He does this because he takes the universe to be a separate thing in addition to being a collection of things. It would be like saying that a matrix of numbers is also a number, and the rules for numbers can be applied to the matrix. But obviously this is wrong.

Now, if he were to mean "Big Bang" instead of the universe, then yeah, you have the well known question of what caused the Big Bang. I don't see how this demonstrates the existence of the supernatural in any way however.

As far as his second point goes, well, it's quite dumb and obvious. And it shows absolutely nothing.