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Originally Posted by ArtificialBrandon

The reason that it's absurd to mix logic and the supernatural is the following problem: if you say that everything logically must have a cause, then what caused God? Obviously, a theologian escapes from this by saying "God is not bound by the rules of logic," but then what the hell is the point of bringing logic into the issue in the first place? If you say that God conforms with logic, then you've removed any ability for him to be an uncaused cause, because you've violated one of the axioms the argument employs.

Flawed argument. The assumption that everything must have a cause only applies to the natural world - as the supernatural is not bound to the laws of the natural, it does not require a cause. As logic is the process of correct reasoning, this is a logical argument.

You can't "prove" or "disprove" a concept like God, since we've removed it from the scientific and rational rules that apply to us. Either you believe or you don't.

Scientific? Yes. Rational? No. Examination whether the natural world could follow its own laws without the supernatural can point to whether the supernatural is or is not real.

Besides, I am not arguing for religion. My point is merely that 1) we cannot be certain that religion is based on nothing and 2) that the supernatural must be real if we accept certain premises that have been hardwired into our minds.