[Helm]

Helm, I didn't mean it was a bad thing. Ancient Greece is the cradle of western civilization, and the fact that the didn't lynch great people like Sappho for being homosexual makes them pretty damn cool in my book.

It's a stereotype, generally. Blatant homosexualism (public aknowledgement of engaging in anal penetration. Say it with me. anal penetration) was frowned upon in ancient greece. Homosexuality in ancient greece was more of the fondle and caress variety. Nevertheless in modern days anal sex is as popular in greece as it is in every other part of the western (at least) world. I see nothing especially bad about it, it is just the same as any other sort of sexual practice.

Admit it, though. All you Greeks love the bum secks.

I like goats.

however I do not know whether it'd be possible to totally "anihilate" those instinctual drives, as much as to "lock" them.

Freedom, for me is defined on the level of application. So it's not so much a matter of completely annihilating the instinctual drives, as it is to be able to completely override them when it comes to deciding and acting. Freedom is action. I operate under the premise that the less you indulge your instinctual needs, the more tame they become. This is not proven, but from personal experience all the other instincts (dominance, affection, self-preservation etc) besides the sexual have indeed become a smaller part of my life than they used to be. The sexual drive will just have to die out with age, it seems.

Well my personnal opinion is that as much as a thinking animal as we are, it is still in our nature to be animals. I have been in contact with many animals, observed their group behaviours as well as those of humans with a very objective eye, and I've found this to be true, that most humans are exclusively instinct driven, not any less than any other animal.

I agree completely. And society is built around fortifying our basic instincts.

Far from allowing the masses to free themselves from their instincts' slavery, their ability for reflexion is mostly used to serve those instincts.

It is exactly why I say that the defining moment of freedom is in action, and not reflection. Too many people have been the theorists of their philosophy and not actual practitioners simply because it is so difficult to go against your nature.

I need to aknowledge them, for what they are, no more but no less.

When I say deny one's instinct I do not mean to disregard it. Obviously one needs to understand what it is, how it operates and why it does so.

However most can not, and do not even want to.

I believe it is in everyone's power to do so, under the proper conditioning. And it is not a question of will. It is logically imperative, if one must be free. One's motives, when under the influence of instinct are invalid in many ways. As is the drug abuser's motives, when under the influence. It is exactly because I desire to be the master of my own will, that I am under logical obligation to render my instinct obsolete.