[Zhukov]

Hello? Hello? Where are you OA? On another planet? Who mentioned property? IF you are vaugely refering to the term "the abolishment of private property", then realise that in the Marxist sense the term refers to the means of production.

If you meant that shareholders own parts of the company, then yeah... so? Your point? Hello?

If you are insinuating that a worker owning stock n the company he works for means he is a capitalist, then ...no. They are a produer/woker etc primarily, and perhaps only own an absolutely miniscule part of the company. As the percentage of the company owned by an individual increases, so to you might find work decreases. Also, someone who owns 1%, is less in a position of power compared to someone who owns anywhere from 51-99%. The minor stock holder makes little impact to the major holder.

He is trying to imply that beinga good Catholic requires absolutly subscribing to one particualr economic system. The problem is, a good Catholic should be aware just how above and beyond God is from such human trivalties as economics and resource management

No, he is saying that in the real world, the teachings of love thy neighbour; the ten commandments and all that other religious nonsense, does not matter one bit.

" If a religion cannot enforce its moral teachings upon its votaries it has as little relation to actual life as the pre-election promises of a politician have to legislation."

a good Catholic should be aware just how above and beyond God is from such human trivalties as economics and resource management.

That's all well and good Blan, but God is so far above such trivialities that he is nowhere to be seen. Meanwhile the day to day work and life is so close to His subjects that they can't escape it. if you know whatt I mean ...

So? Did that money do good for the community? My parish named the high school auditorium after a family that did a ton of volunteer work. It wasn't the money, it was the giving.

It was for a new altar and some such - absolutely useless, then . I already said "I think what he said was a bit of a stretch", but don't say that by giving lots of money to a parish you wont at least gain favour. Volunteer work isnt money.

How many leaders of industry are Catholic or truly religious?

None! that is the whole point!

What? How do you figure that? Do you know what capitalism is?

No, what's capitalism?

The concept of "dog eat dog" means fiercly going against your competitors (ie the other big bussiness men). This does affect your relations with customers, but it usually means giving them the best goods or service at the most reasonable price.

Soooo.... The buiinesman will be wishing the best of luck to all other bsisness men? IE his competitors? IE his 'neighbours'? 'Do unto others' does not apply to reality. "Lets have a hostile takeover!" "No, lets help our struggling competitors into this tough market!"

Second, what if he uses the money he earns to do good like build hospitals and schools?

More like cocaine and ferraris

So, even though they are the exact opposite of all your experiences, you still believe what that mook stereotyped as real socialists?

Who says it is going againt my experiences? My experiences show that I am the only wanker. Eveyone else is A OK.

Perndog, every socialist I know is at least semi-intelligent. Yes, it does smack of self righteousnes. We have people like Albert Einstein and you have Vince. That's just the way it is, you sub human.

Zuk, define capitalism so we can correct you.

It certainly isn't "resource managment". Capitalism is the dictatorship of the capitalists. A capitalist is someone who owns the means of prouction and buys workers' labour power with the aim of prodcing profit. i.e Capital.