[Zhukov]

Don't lecture me on the legitemacy of Socialist Zionism when five minutes ago you had never heard of it.

No, five minutes ago I was saying that I didn't know how: "Zionism was initially founded on Socialist, and Communist principles..."
I still don't know, Zionism to me was initially founded on nationalistic principles, but I don't care anymore, because you are obviously not willing to explain yourself. Very Vince of you.

Also, I didn't mention the Legitamacy of 'Socialist Zionism', I was lecturing on 'Socialist Zionist' parties, the "Socialist" in their name is used for the same reason it is used in "National Socialist". (Don't even think of saying that I am calling them Nazis.)


I take it you agree with me that the main principle of Zionism is the creation of a Jewish state? You haven't said otherwise.

Is that what you call defendig the farming communes under the Golan Heights that are subject to daily missile fire? I guess in your eyes every terrorist threat is just a fictional tool for oppression, and armies exist solely to clamp down on personal freedoms....that makes you sound pretty dumb.

I don't believe that. The army is like the police, they have other jobs.

Don't ask me for an education, go do the research yourself...

Right, right. Sorry, you're not Lexus/Nexus.

Look up what Socialist principles have been integrated into Israel

First of all, I am not asking about Israel, I am asking you about Zionism. Second of all, "Integrated into" is not the same same as "founded on".

I never said Zionism = Socialism, you moron,

I never said you did, moron

I said that amongst the many types of Zionists, there were Socialists,

You originaly said: "Israel and Zionism was initially founded on Socialist, and Communist principles..." .......................

Right, "they're not real marxists"

Yeah, see, one condition of being a Marxist is to realise that Socialist Revolution leads to the emancipation of mankind. If you think that forcing Arabs out of Palestine does this, then you are not a Marxist. The blokes you mentioned may be some kind of utopian communists, but not Marxists.

Then why didn't they pick a more denseley populated area, with more greenery, and prettier buildings?

Because god says that the land of Palestine was for the Jews. Because any land with pretty buildings and dense population is bound to be tougher to purge of people than the sparsely populated Palestine. "A land without a people for a people without a land" Because from the very beginning the Zionists pretended that the country was empty and waiting for the dispersed Jews to return to their ancient home. In essence this was the same attitude of all the colonialists who claimed the doctrine of "discovery" over "empty" lands. The Zionists had for the Palestinians the same solution the Europeans had for the Indians who they saw as a savage obstacle. Because while Herzl believed that the concentration of Jews into a "Jewish centre" need not necessary be Palestine, Haim Weitzman managed to secure the "Balfour Declaration" not from Kaiser Wilhelm, Sultan Abdul or the Pope, but from the British. I'm sure you know the rest.