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Originally Posted by El Blanco
Whether or not the rockets being made were carrying WMD. Lockheed Martin doesn't offer any info on that and Moore never really proved his argument either.
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Moore isn't contesting that they do, although that very factory most certainly once
did. He's arguing that rockets pushing satellites into space as a part of an aero-space division are still used for weapons purposes.......
But ya know what, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You said previously (on this matter) that it's a futile argument, b/c it's based on appealing to emotion rather than substance. Fine. This doesn't make it a lie, nor does it make it huge, thus making it hardly a "HUGE FUCKING LIE."
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YOU are arguing that it is done so in a misleading fashion. It absolutely, unequivocally IS NOT....PERIOD. If you watch the film, and you have the ability to absord the things that you see, you can see that the statement is clearly an introduction for Heston.
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Have you seen it? He did without question edit it to make Heston appear to say somethinghe didn't.
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He does say it, habitually. And had you seen the film (what's your count up to, one time?), you'd know that it isn't used in a misleading fashion. He uses it as an intro. for Heston in the film, and
then leads into the Denver issue.....
Once again, does Heston still use that as his catch phrase? Even if he DIDN'T say that in Denver, does he not still stand by it? What would've shown more class, avoiding the catch phrase, or avoiding Denver all together? How about working to reschedule for a later date? Once again, no lie here, nothing huge hear, no fucking going on, so hardly a "HUGE FUCKING LIE."
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I don't see you turning red over the high profile folks Ann Coulter attacks on a weekly basis.
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Weekly basis? this might be the second Michael Moore topic I've discussed on these boards. You make sound like I am on some crusade against him.
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Well, I think you are obsessed with him, but I digress. Re-read what I said. Coulter releases columns every week, I was refering to the lies, lies, and HUGE FUCKING LIES that she slimes out every single week. Sorry for the misunderstanding there.
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Moore has been pretty quiet about all of this, because up until recently, it has been internet geeks and conservatives with an alternative agenda who have been doing this.
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that and he needed time to properly spin his bullshit
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Out of curiosity, does Rush Limbaugh have a link on his website, disputing claims made about his books? What about Coulter? Hannity? Do any of these people dedicate an entire page to defending claims made against ONE piece of their work...? Are they still "properly spinning their bullshit," or do they just feel it's too difficult of a task....?
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Its funny how you accuse me of just bashing him with no support, when, after rereading the article again, I noticed he never actually adressed the points of the two critics he specifically points out. He just calls them names and slings mud. In fact, he goes atfer Lofton on a completly different issue. Some people might read that as a consession that Moore can't out debate him fairly.
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I'll respond to this later. I haven't read it in a while, but I will later....
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Had they declined the appearance due to the sensitivities around the area, and out of respect to the fucking dead, I'm fairly certain no serious litigation would've been brought against our kind and noble friends at the NRA.
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They canceled everything but the general address. Plans were made and obligations had to be met. The NRA is probably the biggest promoter of gun safety in the country. Why shouldn't they say something?
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Plans can be changed, and obligations require prioritization. One priority might be respecting the families of the deceased rather than your gun owning constituency in Denver. They could've rescheduled, they could've taken the trouble to try. But hey, he didn't use the "cold dead hand," line, right? Classy.
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Heston didn't say it like he was storming the town. The mayor telling the NRA that they should not come to Denver wpould be like someone saying "The gays better not come to San Fransisco". They are already there in force.
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I'll bet Denver has a lot of other clubs and associations. This does a poor job of addressing the fact that it showed very little class going to Denver, and it would've been nicer had they worked to reschedule the event, out of respect for the dead. And more importantly, presenting Heston as defiant wasn't a lie, it wasn't a huge ordeal, and there was absolutely NO sex action with Moses. Thus, no "HUGE FUCKING LIES."
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Denver is an NRA stronghold and its members are part of the community. Heston was pointing out that the people the mayor of Denver works for were attending the convention.
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Right, in a defiant manner, he was sticking his middle-finger out at the families of Columbine, as well as the people of Denver who might have had a problem with it (unless of course everyone in Denver is a member of the NRA). So once again, no lies here. No huge ones. And no, none of the sex. No "HUGE FUCKING LIES" me thinks....