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Old Jun 30th, 2004, 05:18 PM       
"and the NDP is vote splitting with the liberals, because all the leftists cant decide which of the two parties to vote for in order to stop the conservatives."

Ok, seriously, it's not happening. People that vote for the NDP are generally NDP supporters, and wouldn't vote for the Liberals either way. Yes, "technically" a vote is split, but it's not the "left" vote because the Liberal's are not left, and the majority of Canadians don't know this. The main issue with the left vote is all the dumb hippies that voted Green; apparently they got 4% of the popular vote, which is about half a million votes. All of those morons should have voted NDP, which has a better enviromental platform (well, better platforms for hippies all around), and would have increased the NDP by perhaps a seat or two and given them a nice 20% of the popular vote.

"When will they learn that social conservatism never flies in Canada?"

I'm hoping never, but, honestly, if they want to win they have to distance themselves from this. What Harper needs to do is, like Tony Blair did with the Labour Party in the UK, get rid of all the extremists in the party. All of the people that hate gays and protest abortion clinics will vote for the Conservatives even if they are moderate (ie. gay unions ok, abortion is a choice) because they will still reflect them on a majority of the views. Harper needs to cut out all of the psycho politicans in his party that hold the extreme views, and make the party's position on rights very clear. If he had just come out and said "We will support the right for abortions, we will not limit gay rights" he might have gotten a minority government.

Another issue was the fact the Conservatives started to talk like they could win, and that scared (rightfully, so) all the undecided voters away. They showed their true colours for a while, and thank god, Canadians were smart enough to do this.

I seriously expect this government to last no more than two years, merely because on average minorities do not last longer. Also, even though the Liberal's have a "strong" minority, they are so used to being King Shit that it might be really hard for them to bend to the demands of the other parties. They've already, in a way, told the NDP to stick it up their asses, so, to me, it doesn't really look all to promising.

"Face it, if reform had never happened we probably would have switched back to PC in the late 90's, and back to liberals by now.

Instead preston manning has fucked our system for years to come."

That's not true. The PCs were desimated, and it would have taken forever for them to get back in power (I'm talking like a hundred years). The way it went down was the only real way. There's no way the PCs would be a contender by now, let alone with the 99 seats the Conservatives have right now. Just look at how shitty they did in Ontario compared to what they expected would happen. And all the people running in Ontario were old PCers.
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