[El Blanco]

Originally Posted by Chojin

Firearm prohibition is different from drugs and alcohol in that gun use is not a 'vice.' You don't get chemically addicted to firing a fucking gun. Why is that hard to understand?

Because will still want them. You can't ban items.

Because we don't have ANYTHING at airports that can detect guns. The UK isn't as small as you think, either, and are physically closer to places that have cheap weapons.

That and there are ways to beat metal detectors.

Oh, and England doesn't have as many access points as the US. Keep in mind we share the world's largest unprotected border with Canada and another huge border with Mexico.

In what situation would you actually use the gun, though? Someone breaks into your house, starts running at you with a firearm levelled, and you strafe to the side and put one in their bean? If someone's going to break into your house, it's going to be to steal your shit, not to engage in an honorable duel with you in your living room. Provided that isn't the case, it'll be illegal for you to fire on them if your life isn't in danger.

You don't know that. All you know is that there is an intruder in your home.

Originally Posted by El Blanco

And it's not like I said that we'd need to enlist a lot more officers to make it feasible. And it's not like you weren't paying attention to anything I had to say, instead opting to quote the bits you could write the most clever responses to.

I went at the meat of your arguments. No need to dissect every other word of it.

Also, whats your idea of the proper amount of police to make this ban feasable? What ratio? How do you pay for it? Whats the proper amount of training? How do you explain your plan to people who simply don't trust the police and government?

They can be used on public officials, too. Just because such people were immune to it in 'Half-Life' doesn't mean it happens here in the real world too.

I have no idea what you just said. Are you implying that because a pistol can be used to harm a government official, it has to be outlawed? Well, lets get rid of the internet, automobiles and propane tanks. All of those have been used to commit major crimes.

When being mugged in England, are you more likely to die from the exchange?

You want to take that chance?

Washington DC having high crime rates as a result of strict gun laws is about as sound a parallel as Ronnie complaining that gay people destroy heterosexual marriages.

And yet saying that a high number of guns leads to more crime, even though statistics says other wise is perfect logic? I don't think arming the populace will make crime disappear, but it will help keep the criminals in check.

About that graph, does it still count as 'assault' when the person being assaulted is killed, or does it get upgraded to murder at that point?

Probably depends on what the locals call "assault", "murder" and "man slaughter".

It doesn't make any sense to me that the US would be a safer country than fucking CANADA.

So, its not true because you don't like it? Why don't you actually refute the stat?

So, by that reasoning, people in the US murder people with guns entirely on account of a desire to 'shirk the rules' and a degenerative attitude? Wouldn't Hot Topic start selling flak jackets and JHP rounds?

No, but look at their society and how it views individuality. Look at its suicide rate. Look at the grip the Yakuza have. You'll have to excuse me if I don't see that a the ideal society to mimic..

It wouldn't stop them entirely, but it'd make it a lot less easy.

Ya, for law abiding citizens.

What usefulness gun prohibition wouldn't have in regard to organized crime it'd make up for in freelance dickheadedry - muggings,

Unless the mob decided to sell guns on the streets like they do with narcotics.

crimes of passion,

Ya, I'm pissed off at my wife, so I'm going to head to the local shop (if its open), shell out the cash, do thew paper work, let them run the background check and all that other shit and then go shoot her. I certainly couldn't just take a household impliment and kill her.

and accidents.

More people die in home swimming pools every year.

Because being able to pick off a bottle of Mello Yello at 500 yards REALLY helps when being threatened at gunpoint when you're out walking around and unable to carry your precious gun. Or when you're the proprietor of a store and being robbed, in the which case you don't know the guys have a gun until it's in your face. The ONLY situations in which you'd have an opportunity to defend yourself with a firearm would be ones in which you either already have the weapon in-hand or know well in advance that you'll need to use it - anotherwards, never.

Or, you can take the courses provided by local gun clubs and firingranmges and for free by the NRA and learn how to properly use a firearm for home and personal defense.

Much the way people must learn how to drive cars.