[mburbank]

The problem with what you stated about torture is the same problem the death penalty has. Your version of how it would be used is rguable, reasonable, and historically never, ever, ever happens. It's a slippery slope.

How do you know for a fact this is the guy with the bomb? If you think he is, it probably makes sense to torture him and find out. I mean, do you want to take the chance?

And as long as your torturing the guy who might have the bomb, it would be just foolish as hell not to torture the guys you caught with him. And since the people you tortured sang a lot (never mind the information wasn't all that good) don't you have a moral obligation to torture anyone who might be in a position to know something about the bomb? And since all that torture is going on, what about lesser forms of torture? I mean, as long as the guy can walk afterwards, is it really torture? And if you only made him think he was going to die or that his wife was being raped in the next room or that there was a car battery hooked to his genitals, well if it isn't true it isn't torture. And if your boss is messing around with prisoners, doesn't that mean that as long as it's all in fun and you don't get caught you can mess around with thse guys? These are BAD guys, it's just frat stuff anyway, and ll that crap about who these aren't the right guys is bullshit, right? I mean, if they weren't real awful type bad guys they'd be allowed to have lawyers, right? Wouldn't the Red Cross make us stop if we weren't allowed to do this? And those guys we hid from the red cross, well the only reason we'd do that is if they were really, really evil, so whatever happens to those son of bitches, they're off the record anyway. And here's the thing, as yesterdays mess hall bombing shows, you have NO IDEA which of these guys is a dangrous enemy, so if you get them in custody and you don't torture them, and then a bomb goes off, what if they knew about it? What if, if you'd tortured them, you could have saved all those lives? Is that the kind fo risk you want to take? I mean, they started it, they're the enemy!


I'm not mcoking here. It's easy. It makes a certain kind of sense. There's only one reason to not do this kind of shit.

Because it's bad. Because it's important to try not to be bad. Because if we don't try not to be bad we're just two baboon troops trying to kill each other for food, except less dignfied.