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Originally Posted by Preechr
CaptainBubba, I'm not trying to attack you here, but I'm not going to accept your label of my comments as invalid just because you say it's so.
I'm no more of a real preacher than you are a captain (unless you really are...) Please note the points where I used words like "God" conditionally. The main belief of my own I've tried to express here is that I believe we are able to think of ourselves as more than just anomalies or abcesses in nature. I believe human existence is important because we can look around and see that all things are important, even if we don't currently understand how it all works together.
Factor our inherent importance in with our unique capabilities within nature, and I simply doubt the idea that the products of those capabilities, our actions, are irrelevant to nature. We can argue whether nature has a cause and or purpose, but argument implies, at least if it is to be constructive, logical progressions. I've tried to remain constructive.
If you want to attack my logic, go right ahead. Keep in mind that your possibly too quick discounting of my posts might be allowing me to "talk over your head," but more because you're not hearing what's said in your hurry to disregard it rather than some inability that I don't think you have to understand what's being discussed.
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Importance is a human notion. It is a term we use to describe things which we must divert attention to for us to further ourselves. In the context you use it it could only make sense if one assumes there is a more powerful version of a human who is responsible for our creation which only raises the same questions we have in regards to that entity. The results are the same.
Again I'm sorry If I sounded insulting. Its simply that your argument seems more of one arguing in the existence of a god and not for or against determinism or free will. By all means there could be a god given determinism. In fact god would have to be deterministic as well. Your definition of free will would in fact, in a stunning move of irony, fit into determinism. All things are autonomous.
To explain why this is so take the following example. I create a computer program. I am its creator and god. I give it the "choice" between x = 1 and x=2. where given condition 1 x = 1 and given condition 2 x = 2. Although the program has two options it will choose only one and can choose only one. It is autonomous. Adding in complexity merely complicates the program but does not make it magically or unexplainable. Just complex.
Merely not fully grasping every element of the enormously complex program of existance doesnt mean it transcends logic. Merely that it transcends our ability to fully know it.