[kahljorn]

Yea, well I did just talk about "Accepting problems" didn't i? That's what i was talking about, people who know they live in sin but do nothing productive to help it. "Oh, hey, I sin, I'll repent and pray, god will forgive me and i won't have to do anything". I think repentance might have a little to do with the progressive act of trying to make yourself a better person. But hey, what do i know. I'm the type who makes empty apologies to God.

In one of my previous posts I called myself a christian. So obviously I don't have some kind of presdisposition. Somehow it remains impossible for you to discuss the bad things of a religion(or anything else you favor) without it being discriminatory. So like i said: Fuck off the gravy train. I'm one of you guys.

While alot may try, not many actually attain any useful state. I never said that was a damnable sinful bad thing(unless to note their own beliefs), but I didn't say it was a good thing either. Quit playing the, "We christians are insulted all the time but we're not all bad" card, it's so lame. Nobody fucking cares, I was discussing this from a culturally relevant angle. Everybody knows that some people are good and some people are bad(the nature of culture.. and the world, maybe). The catch is that religion is supposed to help people get better. How successful is it? How many does it make bad? How many hate Gays and blacks? What the fuck do you want from me? I can't make you accept that there's evil in the world, you'll just have to stop being a pussy. It's a progressive movement, maybe you should progress instead of living withinin your childish nature so that you don't have to accept how fucked up you are and everybody you know. You lazy fucking animal. Sloth is a sin, remember.
Also, the argument that "Jilted former christians only insult christians" is old and tired, and everybody knows that as well. But thanks for filling us in guys. It's mostly jilted christians and jilted intellectuals trying to deliver a coupe de grace that say shit like that(Oh I want to be a hero a knight in shining armor who protects people and shit, you've impressed everybody). The funny thing is that you're wrong. Like i said, I consider myself a christian in many ways.

Also, how many christians(or again, people in general) who help do you think are doing it selfishly as some kind of martyrdom symptom (for example; the reason you guys are arguing this)? How many do you think do it for God's grace? How many do you think do it to actually make the world a better place for everyone and not just themselves or favored group. All people are afflicted with this type of bullshit, sorry for targetting your favorite(again, protecting your favorites and yourself). The fact that there's enough rich religious people in the world to help all the poor people pretty much outlines my point on how unreligious religion is.

I can't believe how often people argue common sense with, "Your numbers aren't correct". Just accept the fucking fact, put whatever number you want to in there with your administration powers, then reread my argument and continue this conversation in a useful fashion. Perhaps how this cultural corruption(that stems from all kinds of things, and all institutions, not just christianity) could be helped?
I don't know. Do something useful, not this defensive nancy girl shit you're playing. I don't enjoy your vagina monologues.

P.S. I was reading through this thread and realized i forgot to mention something: The political thing(and i mean this by government politics) i was talking about wasn't necessarily the dig, just a possible outcome based on the potential of weak willed people and what would happen if they were targetted with more politically viable thoughts. Whether or not they(the cults) had any personal feelings towards the government, they had an internal politic that was accepted like the dogmas of church. Furthermore, since the dogma of the church(which is a sort of politic) doesn't necessarily involve any kind of "Crazy ideas"(like maybe burning people at the stake for thinking the earth is round) it doesn't seem as zealous, however if more and more political views were inserted(not that there aren't any, still.. most of the views the church would take part in is morality, but that usually interferes, eventually, with politics since morality is essentially the foundation of politics; the strive for a moral law and world) then the weak willed people of limited political AND religious knowledge would be more likely to succomb to it as an inevitable crutch without any benefit of reasoning or logic because it is God's will. Hence, a necessary line that divides the manipulated with extremely manipulated and crazy.