
Jan 20th, 2006, 02:07 PM
Um, Okay. I'm not sure if this is a "Bad translation" or if yours is, but here's the first result I got from looking up "Quran 9:5"
"5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
I'm going to be editing this post with information on the others.
What's with these crazy numbers next to Bukhari? And is bukhari the guy who essentially went back and recompiled alot of quranic information? When I pasted in the bukhari thing all I got was a bunch of anti-muslim sites, seems strange. Give me the real number of the versus please because I have the Hadith of Bukhari open as we speak.
Never mind I figured it out:
I don't see how it's about killing non-believers, though, it seems to be more about killing one of their own ;/ Nice adherance to context, though. And it's not even verse 270, it's verse 271. I know you get your arguments from racist websites but try to make them a little more apt than about killing people in the middle of war ;/ Because that's what it seems to be about.
This is the volume four 386 one:
Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. When Al-Hurmuzan embraced Islam, 'Umar said to him. "I would like to consult you regarding these countries which I intend to invade." Al-Hurmuzan said, "Yes, the example of these countries and their inhabitants who are the enemies. of the Muslims, is like a bird with a head, two wings and two legs; If one of its wings got broken, it would get up over its two legs, with one wing and the head; and if the other wing got broken, it would get up with two legs and a head, but if its head got destroyed, then the two legs, two wings and the head would become useless. The head stands for Khosrau, and one wing stands for Caesar and the other wing stands for Faris. So, order the Muslims to go towards Khosrau." So, 'Umar sent us (to Khosrau) appointing An-Numan bin Muqrin as our commander. When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, "Let one of you talk to me!" Al-Mughira replied, "Ask whatever you wish." The other asked, "Who are you?" Al-Mughira replied, "We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life: we used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet whose father and mother are known to us. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." (Al-Mughira, then blamed An-Numan for delaying the attack and) An-Nu' man said to Al-Mughira, "If you had participated in a similar battle, in the company of Allah's Apostle he would not have blamed you for waiting, nor would he have disgraced you. But I accompanied Allah's Apostle in many battles and it was his custom that if he did not fight early by daytime, he would wait till the wind had started blowing and the time for the prayer was due (i.e. after midday)."
Asking them to pay Jizya is essentially asking them to pay the taxes that they demanded of all non-believers within their territory that allowed them to practice their religion freely without even adheering to Muslim principles. Sounds pretty generous, considering. Haven't the western nations done the same thing to "Pagans"???
Anyway, all this shit is about the Jihad when they were in the middle of war and shit, that the christian nations were participating in. I don't know about this, but did you ever think that maybe that caused some bad relations between them and our world? Maybe, just maybe, there's reasons for them acting like assholes to us?
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