[kahljorn]

They are buddhist and gnostic concepts ;/ I even used the official words. Goto the wikipedia links, I posted them for a reason. I don't know if you were insulting me though, I can't tell. Maybe you were talking about the rosicrucians?

The funny thing is the eternalist thing sounds like one of the steps on the eight-fold path, and also one of the steps to becoming a yoga. Essentially, objectivity. However, from what I've heard the only reason buddhism disagrees with Eternalism(I guess there has been an open interest in this line of thought) is because they refuse to give any factors/dimensions/names to their objectivity.. So rather than trying to look with just objective time, they reason you should simply strive for pure objectivity of thought. Rationality can't really hope to be acheived with any sort of prejudice.
Anyway, I think buddhists are just a little anal about things sometimes-- devotion seems a little pointless, even by their standards. You'd think they'd be happy that society is catching up to the things that they've been saying for thousands of years.